What has happened to the west?

The morality in the west has almost vanished. I study on a Catholic gymnasium and probably the entire class except me doesn’t know that pre-marriage sex is a sin. Everywhere i look, i see something related to sex. Porn everywhere, everyone masturbating,… Everybody is lying, lying has being socially acceptable, as well as homosexuality,… Stealing has become cool among some kids, breaking the law in general has become even cooler. Bashing the Church,faith, mocking the ones who pray has become wiedly popular. And a day can’t pass without cussing. All this happens in the west. What has happened to the west? Is the apocalypse near?

The apocalypse is no nearer than it ever was.

What happened is secularism. Christians have fallen prey to using faith as a feel-good mechanism. Sacrifice doesn’t feel good, so it is abandoned.

This is why many people believe the US is the mystery babylon mentioned in the bible, it is also said God will destroy ‘babylon’ in one hour, and they will not participate in the final battle at Armageddon. I found a complete list of references to babylon that explains what that country would be like and posted it on here in one of my threads, I will try to find it and post it here, but when you read it, you will see the US fits literally every single thing and also no other nation that presently on the planet matches as well. That is proof enough for me, and should be for most intelligent people, as anyone can see, literally ANYTHING goes in the US, anything is accepted and even encouraged.

Here it is, I encourage anyone to find just one that does not match the US.

  1. Babylon would be noted for its architecture, buildings and skyline (Isaiah 13:22)

  2. Is the lone super power of the world (Isaiah 47:5,8)

  3. Is the most respected and envied around the world and yet at the same time is hated by the world. (Isaiah 18:2)

  4. Has a unique and remarkable beginning, different from other nations and has been awe-inspiring from it’s conception. (Isaiah 18:2).

  5. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7)

  6. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6)

  7. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9). “LIBERTY” on our money, and sits in the New York Harbor.

  8. Babylon is nation “peeled”, or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).

  9. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).

  10. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).

  11. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).

  12. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD

  13. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14;

  14. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).

  15. Babylon’s governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).

  16. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).

  17. Babylon’s leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).

  18. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).

  19. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).

  20. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6).

  21. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).

  22. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY

  23. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6;

24.Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa47:10, implied throughout).

  1. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, her lands untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).9. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world,over the poles (Isa 13:5)

  2. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13,14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).

  3. The people of Babylon would think they are God’s elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8,

  4. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).

  5. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).

  6. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)

  7. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).

  8. Babylon’s enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world,over the poles (Isa 13:5)

    Jeremiah prophesied:

  9. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44)

  10. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12). USA

  11. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18). USA

  12. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23). USA

  13. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41). USA

  14. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).

  15. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

  16. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).

  17. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

  18. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).

  19. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).

  20. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37). Think Kentucky

  21. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).

  22. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13)

  23. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).

  24. Babylon’s skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).

  25. Babylon has a huge space industry, has “mounted up to the heavens” (Jer 51:53).

  26. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).

  27. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).

  28. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).

  29. Babylon is nation filled with a “mingled” people (Jer 50:37).

  30. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).

  31. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).

  32. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).

  33. Babylon’s Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).

  1. Babylon’s Christian leaders are “strangers” in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).

  2. Babylon sets of detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24).

  3. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12). (ENGLAND)

  4. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).

  5. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12). Follow the money, we are under total control of England’s Banks, and have been since 1914

  6. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).

  7. Babylon is considered to be a lion’s whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).58.

  8. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53). Who else has a space program as we do?

  9. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).

  10. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).

  11. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)

37 .Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God’s people (Jer 50:47;51:45).

  1. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).

  2. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).

  3. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).

  4. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).

  5. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).

  6. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)

44. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity(Jer 50:6, implied throughout).

  1. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).

  2. How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! -Jeremiah 50:23

  3. O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. The LORD of hosts hath sworn by himself, saying, Surely I will fill thee with men, as with caterpillars; and they shall lift up a shout against thee. -Jeremiah 51:12-14

  4. Plays a leadership role in Outer Space Exploration (Jer. 51:3)

  5. Is where the world’s leaders meet and assemble (Jer. 51:44)

  6. Incorporated many aspects of the old Babylonian religion (Jer. 50:2).

After reading some of the cited verses, I would have to say a lot of these supposed “links” are vague and specious at best, or ludicrous at worst. What they all seem to have in common is that they are completely insubstantial.

Just out of curiosity, how can Babylon have been a Christian nation when Christianity didn’t exist until centuries later? Also, how can Babylon have played a role in space exploration when it didn’t exist until centuries later? We must be careful when trying to read things onto Biblical prophecy, otherwise it becomes a fortune cookie exercise–we can read virtually anything onto anything in Scripture to suit our own purposes.


Wow!! How could you argue with Mike? He listed everything that is wrong with this country, of course it also sounds like any other country within its own limits. Don’t let this information fall into fanatics because they would love to speed the destruction of this country in the name of any god. Merciful God, have patience with us!!!

You are hopelessly ignorant of history if you think that everything listed is of recent origin. Everything in your post can be applied to all times of western/eastern culture. There is nothing new under the sun.

I see each and all of these Babylon references as applying to the US, just as he said.
No other nation on earth fits them nearly as well.

No man knows the day or the hour…

The prophcies are informational, so that nations will onow what to avoid. The end of the world has been forecast just this way for 2000 years and hasn’t happened yet!

(Not to mention the US is not quartered by great rivers!)

I did not say these things are of recent origin. I just statet that society deems these things acceptable now. Surely this things existed before but people didn’t always think these things are right. There was a time when Christian ethics were deemed as right.

Russia would be more on the mark. She has a few great rivers that run all the way from the north coast down to Asia, slicing up the country. Russians are also mad for the occult even at the highest levels of decision making apparently. :eek:

People have been screaming the end is nigh since the beginning. Why should this be any different?:shrug:

I wonder why people think America is the the guide to when the ‘end times’ are near. I am sure the pople in the Congo may have a better case compaed to the relative luxury of living in america.

Russia may fit with a couple, but when you look at all of them as a whole, it can ONLY be the US, Russia is not the lone superpower of the world, nor does the rest of the world rely on it for many things, etc, I could go on and on about how 95% of them do not match Russia or any other country currently on the planet.

Regarding the rivers in the US, how about the Ohio, Mississippi, rio grande?

I put the most important verse in red, those in that country would not know who they are, I think this speaks volumes.

Who would be the enemy to the north? Surely not Canada. China is the new industrial giant. Few Christians there though.

Secularism, liberalism, and the Church of Nice (in the spirit of Vatican II of course).


There is more than one thing here. I don’t pretend to be an expert, and certainly not on Slovenia (though I am persuaded the wine there is good).

I don’t think you can generalize about the West and be sure you’re right in conclusions like these. First of all, there are differences in the West. Religious observance is different in the U.S. than in, say, France. It’s different in France than in Denmark.

In those countries like Slovenia, they went from being under communist oppression to almost overnight being free to do almost anything people want to do. That has to be a shock, particularly if people suddenly also became more prosperous.

Now, when it comes to youth, young people have historically been morally rebellious. So that isn’t alarming in itself. What is more problematic is perhaps the lack of catechesis you seem to be talking about. That is probably due (as in the west) to a secular rebellion following Vatican II in which moral teaching broke down a great deal. I believe that will reverse itself and, in the U.S., I think that reversal has already started among younger people. But it probably plays out differently in different countries.

Perhaps interesting only to me, but I consider Slovenia part of the “west” as well. It never was really “eastern” in the sense that, say, Russia is “eastern” or even that Serbia is “eastern”. Yes, Slovenian is a Slavic language, but so is Polish, and the Poles have had their eyes fixed west for centuries.

So, your situation in Slovenia is going to more resemble that of the west generally than anything else, for better or for worse. Right now, it’s not for the best. But that doesn’t mean it will always remain so. Possibly Slovenes are presently “drunk on freedom” a bit. That doesn’t mean it will always be so.

A Slovene, like an American, should always be prepared to tell the truth about the faith to his contemporaries. They will not want to remain morally ignorant forever.

Perhaps passingly interesting: I read some wise person say that, unlike people of prior centuries, we moderns neither sin well nor repent well. In other words, people were sinners long ago too; oftentimes more grievously than now, but they knew better and had the moral courage to admit when they were wrong and repent.

Today, we often do not know better and, even when we do, we deny we did anything wrong and try to justify sinfulness. There is a lot of that now. Personally, I have to confess that I would prefer one who sins well and repents well. The world lacks for good teachers. Perhaps in some way, you can also be one.

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