What Is The Most [traditional] Catholic Place In The Usa?


#1

For example, Germany has Bavaria and France has Burgundy, what does the United States have as being a “hotspot” of [traditional] Catholicism?

That is, the most [traditional] Catholic place outside of the American Southwest (and south Florida also, I suppose).

I guess I should rephrase the question to: What place is the most [traditional], non-Hispanic, place in America?

*note that this isn’t any sort of criticism against Hispanics, but a compliment!


#2

This forum.


#3

So, uh, how do I move to this forum in order to raise my new daughter?


#4

You can’t.

I would move to Lincoln, Nebraska or St.Louis, MO. I would say that they are the most traditonal. Now if orthodoxy concerns you as much or more that an “ism,” you might also consider Denver, Co. There is also Phoenix, AZ, which encompasses most of the state. Both would be on a par with the first two as far as orthodox teaching goes. You should know, however, that these recommendations are based on the bishops currently occupying those sees. They are all orthodox. Who knows who’ll succeed them.


#5

Well JKirk, thanks for the advice - however, I think my search is for not necessarily which particular diocese is more orthodox than the other - I can and will teach my children the Faith better than most of these catechists floating around these days (and floating is probably the best way to describe most of them).

What I’m looking for is a the most traditionally Catholic CULTURE in the United States - the kind of place where the stores would close early on Good Friday!

Any place like this exist???


#6

From what i know, there is no place like that, yet. However, from what i hear, Ave Maria, Naples, Florida seems like it is going to be a fairly Catholic town. Of course, i haven’t heard anything about it in a while, so somebody might have more up to date information. :slight_smile:


#7

Ave Maria in Florida is all to contrived for my tastes…it’s like going to one of those “Bavarian Villages” in the United States - why would I, when I’ve been to the REAL THING in Bavaria?!? Or “New York, New York” in Las Vegas. Or “Paris” in Las Vegas. Or “Venice” in Las Vegas. Et cetera.


#8

What ethnic background do you have? I ask because when I think of catholic ‘places’ I think of places that have ethnicities that are traditionally catholic. IE: Italian, Irish, Polish, Latin, etc. I’ve never been there, but places like Boston, Chicago, NJ pop up. Boston for the Irish, Chicago for the Polish, NJ for the Italians.

Just a thought.


#9

Rockford, Illinois?


#10

Hmmm how about someplace traditionally Irish Catholic?


#11

For example, Germany has Bavaria and France has Burgundy, what does the United States have as being a “hotspot” of [traditional] Catholicism?

That is, the most [traditional] Catholic place outside of the American Southwest (and south Florida also, I suppose).

I guess I should rephrase the question to: What place is the most [traditional], non-Hispanic, place in America?

*note that this isn’t any sort of criticism against Hispanics, but a compliment!

South Florida? Traditional? HAHAHAHAHA! That was a funny joke! South Florida’s Traditional Latin Mass has struggled for years–Hispanics have had little impact. Miami’s Hispanics are, far and wide, more affluent, and therefore more jaded and/or indifferent than, most other groups here in the good ol’ materialistic USA. There is nothing remotely “Traditional” than the land of CSI Miami and Miami Vice. Miami is about as Traditional as Los Angeles.:crying:


#12

Pittsburg, PA. The Latin Mass society seems pretty strong up there.

Or down in Dallas, TX. The university down there has a strong Catholic subculture on campus, an FSSP offers Mass and public LOTH. I suppose if you live close to the campus you could get involved easy enough.

Take that with a grain of salt, I only know people from these areas and have no experienced it myself. But it seems to be a solid “hub” of traditionalism.


#13

Remsen, Iowa. No kidding. Half of the town is Catholic, the other half Luthern. And everyone gets along, for the most part.


#14

I’ve lived in the Lincoln diocese. Many of the towns do roll up at
5PM everyday and are closed on Sunday. That said, unless you moved to a “contrived” place like Ave Maria, you will likely not find anywhere that completely follows the Catholic Faith because there are very few, if any, exclusively Catholic towns. Utopia will be mighty hard to find. Try the diocese of Lincoln but stay away from the city itself.


#15

Well, I’ve been doing some thinking and some research, and I’ve “figured it out”.

Here in America and [most of] Europe, the dominant culture is secular, it has been formed by the state, and the state has abandoned it’s Catholic roots (if it had any to begin with, which the United States never did).

SO, in America, the only true Catholic Culture we have is among the Tejano population of south Texas.

If you’re not Tejano, you have no real “Catholic Culture” in America anymore. The “Catholic ghettos” have been dismantled, Americans have all become “homogenized”, and they are all pretty much mindless robots celebrating the various state-sponsored holidays, such as Labor Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, etc.

The only way to avoid becoming “secularized” in America is to avoid America!


#16

Okay. Well, if you live in the US, I’m sure we can pool our resources and buy you a ticket out of here. :wink:

I ask not what my country can do for my Catholicism, but what can my Catholicism do for my country. :stuck_out_tongue:


#17

Unfortunately, I was born an American, and I have no real way of [legally] working in another country, otherwise I WOULD leave!

This country, the United States of America, has done all it can, and will continue to do all it can, to destroy the Faith among it’s citizens.

If you support the American government and it’s culture, then you oppose the Church. It’s that simple.


#18

SO, in America, the only true Catholic Culture we have is among the Tejano population of south Texas.

If you’re not Tejano, you have no real “Catholic Culture” in America anymore. The “Catholic ghettos” have been dismantled, Americans have all become “homogenized”, and they are all pretty much mindless robots celebrating the various state-sponsored holidays, such as Labor Day, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Thanksgiving, etc.

The only way to avoid becoming “secularized” in America is to avoid America!

How in the world do you figure that Tejano population is any different?!


#19

Are they not?


#20

well having spent most of my married life among "Catholic ghettoes in the Cleveland area, I agree, that the SoTex culture comes close to living in an Italian, Slovenian or Polish neighborhood that still has a strong parish church and school. I think the presence of Catholic schools is the single most important indicator of prevailing Catholic culture.

Our culture here is taking some hits, both from influence of Americanization, increasing affluence, and with it, eroding traditional values and secularization. We are also facing aggressive proselytization from evangelicals, pentecostals, and cults. The presence of significant Catholic minorities of Filipino, Indian, and Vietnamese heritage in SoTex is also a factor, as well as of course the Mexican majority. It is helpful when so many public school teachers and administrators are also Catholic–there is a Mass for educators each year that is jammed. Most of our catechists are public school teachers, for instance. Employers and businesses do assume that holy days will be observed, although the only major grocery chain stays open on Easter.


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