What is the new Jerusalem all about?


#1

Revelation 21 talks about a new Jerusalem. What is it about? Someone please explain in detail.

Ok, let me admit my ignorance. I am under the impression that after death we go to Purgatory, and then, on the last day, we’ll get into the new Jerusalem. Please correct me. In my childhood, I was told (by a non-Catholic Christian) that no one goes to Heaven after death and that we’ll enter heaven only at the last judgment (he was saying this coz he wanted to prove that Mary is not in heaven).

Someone please help me out.


#2

Your childhood friend was very mistaken. He/she may have been a Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh-Day Adventist; both believe in what is called “soul-sleep”; this answers the believe well:

Q: Some groups, such as Christadelphians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh-Day Adventists, claim that we are not conscious between the time of our death and our resurrection but that our souls either cease to exist or are asleep. They cite verses that picture death as a sleep (e.g. Dan. 12:2, 1 Cor. 15:51). How can we refute this?

A: These verses use what is known as phenomenological language, the language of appearances. Phenomenological language occurs when we describe something as it looks, irrespective of how it is. The classic example of phenomenological language is talk of the sun rising and setting. The sun appears to rise and set , but this motion is actually due to the rotation of the earth rather than to motion of the sun around the earth.

Verses that speak of the dead sleeping use phenomenological language. For example, Daniel 12:2 states, “And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.” This image is of people getting up much as a sleeper rises in the morning. The sleep being discussed is phenomenological sleep, not literal sleep (Daniel is not talking about living people who sleep on the ground). Because dead people look like they are sleeping, especially when lying on their deathbeds (and notice that people often die on beds, enhancing the sleep analogy), the Bible often uses “sleep” as a euphemism for “death.” In fact, this euphemism is common today.

There are two versions of the :soul sleep" theory.

The Jehovah’s Witness claims that the soul ceases to exist at death and then is re-created by God at the resurrection. If their theory were true and there were no soul which survives death, it is difficult to see why the re-created “you” is not just a copy of you. It may have all your memories, but it is hard to see why it is not just a copy. If God had created this copy while you still existed, the fact it is a copy rather than the real you would be obvious.

If it is a copy, that causes problems of justice. Because you ceased to exist, you–the real you–were never punished for your sins or rewarded for your good deeds; you simply ceased to exist. Similarly, the copy of you which was created on the Last Day is then punished or rewarded for things it never did.

Once one has distinguished between the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ view and the view that claims that our souls simply sleep between death and resurrection, one can go on to refute these ideas by using the Bible. The following verses apply to both versions of the doctrine.

In Revelation 6:9-10, John writes, “When he [Christ] opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, ‘O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?’”

Here John sees the disembodied souls of early Christian martyrs. The fact they are disembodied is known because they have been slain. Thus disembodied souls exist. The fact they are conscious is known because they cry out to God for vengeance. Unconscious people can’t do that. Thus conscious, disembodied souls exist.

In Revelation 20:4 John sees these souls again: “Then I saw . . . the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God and who had not worshipped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

Here again we have disembodied souls (they had been beheaded). John sees them coming to life to reign with Christ–hence they are in a pre-resurrection state. Some scholars argue that this is a spiritual resurrection rather than a physical one. Even if that were so, it would only strengthen the case for conscious, disembodied souls because, after having been beheaded, they would be reigning with Christ in heaven in a disembodied state.

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Regarding the “New Jerusalem”: Our Lord’s Ascension allows all those united to Him to have access to the celestial sanctuary (see Hebrews 10:19 ff). The Revelation of St. John presents the culimination of this union with Christ at the end of time; thus, the city of God is “the New Jerusalem.” In theological terms, this is the Beatific Vision, wherein the souls of the just with their resurrected and glorified bodies (fashioned in the manner the Risen Son’s) enter fully into God’s Presence and see God -Father, Son and Holy Spirit - as He Is and forever rejoice in that Glory.


#3

Yes, I think he was a Seventh-Day Adventist, coz he used to enforce on keeping the Sabbath on Saturday.

Ok, I haven’t got my complete answer though.

What will happen to me after I die? Suppose I’m extremely righteous with no sin. Will I go directly to Heaven?

Or suppose someone is an extremely wicked person, will he go directly to hell?


#4

Only God knows. :slight_smile:

Suppose I’m extremely righteous with no sin. Will I go directly to Heaven?

If you have been so transformed by the grace of Christ into a true image of Him in His Charity, then you may go directly to Heaven - as the Saints do. If there is still some part of you that needs further transformation (i.e., dying more to one’s pride, selfishness, etc., etc.) then purgation will be required (thus, Purgatory in preparation for entrance into Heaven).

Or suppose someone is an extremely wicked person, will he go directly to hell?

Unless he repents, then, yes.


#5

Thanks!:slight_smile:


#6

I've been studying the New Jerusalem and believe it is the spiritual church, which is heaven, that John sees descending. Through the eyes of God John sees this, and it was with us through Jesus who said he would never leave us and gave us the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

The beginning of the church was with Jesus who gave the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter.

"... and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God has drawn near; repent, and believe the good news." Mark 1:15

" Being asked by the Pharisees when the Kingdom of God was coming, he answered them, "The Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; 21 nor will they say, 'Lo, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is in the midst of you." Luke 17:20


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