I took this from my discussion on www.talkintruth.com and I thought I would get it over here before they erased it like some of my other posts. It’s sad when you work hard on something and the folks who run the board think there protestant brothers and sisters are too weak to handle a good teaching. Anyway, I feel heavy hearted about my posts disappearing and have to re-aafirm why I LOVE being catholic and why I love this forum where there is real freedom to teach and grow. Praise god for catholic answers forums! anyway here is a discussion I started and i thought it would be good here. the gentleman I was discussing with goes by “Matthew”…
**Matthew wrote:*****Now, everyone can agree that the King James Version is the main Protestant bible and that the New American Bible is the Official Bible of the Catholic Church. ***
*One clear distinction that must be made here in light of both of these scriptures from both bibles, is that God declares that his word “is truth” in John 17:17 and that the church is “of the truth” in I Timothy 3:15. There is no denying this no matter which bible you are looking at.
John 17:17- “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.” (KJV)
I Timothy 3:15 - “but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” (KJV)
John 17:17- “Consecrate them in the truth. Your word is truth.” (New American Bible)
I Timothy 3:15- “But if I should be delayed, you should know how to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth.” (New American Bible)
*How can it not be more clear from either faction’s scripture that the word is truth and that the church is derived from and subject to the word? *
The word came first folks. (John 1:1)*
Hello brothers and sisters & good afternoon!
Hope ya’ll are being blessed in the peace of our Messiah Jesus today amen?
I wanted to address this issue of the "word" brought up by Matthew. Firstly I thank you for taking the time to address this issue and I hope this can be done peacefully and in the love of Christ. I am going to get controversial right off the bat and say that I believe equating the word simply with the bible is tantamount to “bibli-olitry” and takes away from the real living word Jesus Christ. The “written word” the scriptures is one thing, inspired by God and sacred yes, I am not disagreeing with that, but there is only one “living word” and that is Jesus who is not only God but man as well. The God/man Jesus Christ true God from true God. Matthew seesm to be talking about two seperate things when he says:
…The word came first folks. (John 1:1)
Lets look at that passage for a second:
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have SEEN with our eyes, which we have LOOKED at and our hands have TOUCHED, this we proclaim concerning the WORD OF LIFE…”
My question to you all: Is John talking about scripture? I big walking leather bound bible with a dove or fish on the front? No! He is talking about a person, and that person is called THE WORD OF TRUTH and that person is Jesus the Son of the Living God!
Let’s look at another verse:
"In the beginning was THE WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD. Through Him all things were made. In Him was the light of life and that life was the light of men.
So once again we see that the WORD is GOD, the living God not simply scriptures, but a living God!
How about one more that is often misunderstood:
"For the WORD of God is LIVING and ACTIVE, sharper than any double edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing souls and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. (13) NOTHING IN CREATION IS IS HIDDEN FROM GODS SIGHT. EVERYTHING IS UNCOVERED AND LAY BARE BEFORE THE EYES OF HIM TO WHOM ME MUST GIVE ACCOUNT.