"What Is Wrong With Homosexual Marriage?" A Catholic article


#124

According to the definition given, he is right.

‘Love: To will the good of the other.’

Of course, in this definition we follow Church teaching that same-sex actions are sinful. To love someone this way would be to will them NOT to sin, to will them to seek and do the Good.

Now, if you follow the idea that Sin may change according to human progress; that truth, beauty and goodness are relative to the zeitgeist or not real at all, then of course you won’t accept the definition of Love.

‘First of all, we need to define what love really is. Love = choosing what is best for the other despite the cost to myself. If we truly want what is best for another person, then we would never advocate same-sex marriage, because it takes a risk with another person in every realm of their life – mentally, socially, spiritually, physically, etc. Same-sex marriage and homosexual sex is not real love. While we may have true feelings for another, we cannot truly love them according to the definition above.‘


#125

I am fine with the Catholic definition of love (To will the good of the other). I am not fine with the conclusion the Church comes to as to what the good of the other “is”.

We disagree.


#126

Yes, I thing the author made a huge logic error in that. First though, his definition is not the one that most people find offensive. He is speak of decisions that are made dispassionately, not passion affection. But even on that front he is still wrong, and on this, I find Fr. Martin having a better grasp.

The assumption the author makes, but does not voice, is that a person knows always what is best for another person, which of course is not always the case. I person can want what they believe to be truly the best for another, and still be wrong. His error does not diminish his love. If it did, the conclusion would be that no one can love.

My earlier point to you though was that by the same logic, the author’s statement was not unloving. He wrote what he deemed to be best. So showing flaws in his thinking is a better response than assuming moral fault on his part.


#127

I agree with you on that. I don’t really feel his error is in his judgment of what is moral. It is in his lack of education and apparent life experience (to come to some of the conclusions he comes to).


#128

Reading the article, he is pretty much hitting on Church teaching and the factual issues that have been expressed in many other places and that are a part of same sex marriage.

The reason I gave the divine revelation answer is for two reasons, one - it is a Catholic article and this is a Catholic forum and the second reason is due to your question asking who decided that (procreation) is the purpose for all human existance

Having sexual relations with someone that go against the natural law, the natural ways our body works, can cause physical and psychological harm. When you truly love someone you want their good, not harm.

We also do not know yet what the consequences will be on children who are raised in same sex marriages, that deprive children from one of their parents. I wonder how many children after growing up will go on a search to find the parent they never knew.

and then wanting the good of another person would not be leading them into areas that are sinful, ways that put their eternal soul in danger.


#129

Fair enough. I may never change your opinion. But we, as Catholics, still hold true to the belief that there is an order, a reason to creation—and this also involves sexuality, marriage and the family. As far as what ‘good’ is, for us, it is the highest good, the meaning and essence of good itself—God. So to will the good for someone else, to truly love them as Jesus loves us, is to will them to live a life ordered to God.


#130

Interesting how often taxation matters come up when those in the US discuss marriage, and gay marriage. Where I like there is absolutely no difference in tax status whether you are a couple living together unmarried, a gay couple, or a married couple.


#132

What about that child having a right to have both a mom and a dad?


#134

One thing, it is not always a good idea to just let a horse bolt, sometimes you have to go get them.

No, absolutely not, I don’t think that at all. Neither one is okay. They are both sinful, wrong and unfair to the child.


#136

That is part of the issue. Some simply say ‘I don’t believe this or that.’ Which they are free to do, but this is a Catholic forum so Catholic teaching should be promoted.


#137

I understand the expression a lot, I used to work with horses and just thought I would complete the word picture, meaning sometimes you have to correct the situation.

I think that is a little nutty, since I was responding to your opinion -


#139

So in other words it is ok for you to speak your opinion in a post but I can not? Very nice.
My original point was that a child has a right to both a mother and father and you are implying I have nothing substantial to say.
Thank you.


#140

‘The unsupported views of many who happen to be Catholic’

Do we really need to provide sources, in a Catholic forum, to prove that the two situations you listed above are in fact sin?


#141

In some cases, the birth mother still plays a part in the life of her child along with the father and the father’s same-sex partner or spouse. But what would you suggest that a gay man with a child do? Should he live with a woman just so that his child can have a mother?


#143

The Catholic answer would be that the SSA man is to live a chaste life and not live with another man.


#144

So, the child of this SSA man would be better off living with just the one parent, the father? I would think that living with two loving parents would be better for the child even if they’re both men.


#145

I clearly identified that: it is good to be alive.
Why is this hard to understand?

I assume you mean ‘what God intends’. You then ask me if it is good to be alive. Well, it is good for me today. Were I to be a caterpillar doomed to be a living host for a wasp larvae life would be bad for me (but good for the wasp).

You’re not a wasp, you’re a human being. Is there anything exceptional about being human and being alive?

Were I to be paralysed, conscious but unable to communicate and hooked up to machines on which my life depended it would not be good for me to be alive, for m, my family, or the people who needed the health resources I was consuming pointlessly.

Yes people suffer. Still, in humane societies we do not judge the value of human life by one’s demand on resources.

You ask about the ‘one way’ human life happens. Well the one way human life happens is that it is passed on generation to generation.

Uniquely through the union of one man and one woman.

It does not occur at the time of conception.

We can debate that, but it’s somewhat tangential to the point.

Both sperm and ovum are alive. The Church does not teach that this human life is good in the way that mine is. Rather the Church has a concept of ‘individual’ humans, each the creation of God. I do not share that view. Without it all the talk of natural law and ‘ordering’ of human customs and instincts is without meaning. It flows from a premise I do not share. I have no objection to you holding it. But I do not think it reasonable to insist that I should hold it because it is apparent from what we observe. This is a long-stated Christian view, but it is not one I share. To my mind is is almost completely refuted in a positive sense by the absence of atheists who accept ‘natural law’ when it comes to the ‘ordering to the good’ of human sexuality.

You’re going waaay out of your way to deny the undeniable. Why would you take a position that amounts to superstition and is completely oblivious of reality?

The union of a man and woman is the one unique way that human beings exist.

And if you can’t admit that it is good to be born and be alive, I feel sad for you.


#146

MagdalenaRita said the above in response to this:

The above two situations suggests that having two same-sex parents is better than having one promiscuous parent. Right?

To which MagdalenaRita asserted that both situations are sinful.

How is what MagdalenaRita said—that a same-sex relationship and a promiscuous relationship of any kind are both sinful—not Catholic?


#147

I don’t see why having gay sex would “cause physical and psychological harm.” For gay people, it seems perfectly natural and normal. I’ve been in a relationship with my partner for more than 20 years and neither one of us has suffered any physical or psychological harm as a result. I’d be much worse off if I had been alone all those years.


#150

If someone is suffering too much, they might not think that it’s good to be alive. That’s why people with terminal illnesses or who are in unbearable pain are often glad to die. And that’s why some of them commit suicide.


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