What's your opinion about the Motu Propio

I think I’ve made this clear a million times but here goes a million and one. Let’s see, on one side we have radical traditionalists and on the other side we have the modernists. Both sides show a disregard for these documents.

Here’s a great letter from a former SSPXer laying it out for that organization. I’d think you’d have a little problem saying that the SSPV follows PA but maybe you won’t. :shrug: I don’t think you’ll quibble as to the modernist side. Before anyone whines about the source, complaining about it doesn’t change the fact that this is a letter from a former member of the SSPX so please don’t get us sidetracked on that one. sspx-schism.com/Berger.htm

Funny, when traditionalists on the forum use certain ‘extreme’ websites we get bashed for it. I guess its different when it supports your own view. The chap on that site seems to have a real axe to Grind with the society.

You do know that site argues the Novus Ordo isn’t pleasing to God, and doesn’t fulfill the Sunday Obligation?

I got warned several times for linking to “good” parts of Tradition in Action, pages on our Lady etc. TIA was accused of being anti-catholic. I think by that logic this site should be as well…

I would have posted the same letter from another site but they were all in French. Didn’t think that would give forum readers too much help. I don’t even agree with the whole thing, I just found the parts about Pastor Aeternus to be a good point.

BTW, I find it quite useless to conversation to label everyone who thinks the SSPX is wrong as someone with an axe to grind. If you have some proof that the auntenticity of the letter should be called into question, then feel free to offer it.

There are not two faiths to choose from. There is only one, the Roman Catholic Faith. There are either liberal progressive modernists who have created their own religion, or there are traditionalists who uphold the traditions of the church from time immemorial.

And I presume the only people in the one true faith are traditionalists. All the rest at modernists in their own created religion. :rolleyes: OH PLEEZE!

Sorry, but that is NOT a reputable source.

What I have stated is absolutely correct.

From “The Suicide of Altering the Faith in the Liturgy” by Father Paul Kramer:

'Catholics are understandably confused, since they have always sought after secure moorings on the firm ground of papal doctrine to protect their faith from being diluted or washed away by the polluted waters of heresy. Some even refuse to admit that the Pope (or a council) can err, and follow him into error. That is gravely sinful because the Church teaches that in matters of faith and morals, we are bound to give assent to the infallible teaching of the Church, “established in the faith as ye have been taught” (Col.2:7), rather than to the fallible and erroneous doctrines of an erring pope (or council). “Prima salus est rectae fidei regulam custodire.” (Our first salvation is to guard the rule of right faith.) “But faith”, St. Thomas explains, "holds all the articles of faith by means of one medium…the First Truth proposed to us in the scriptures *according to the sound understanding of the teaching of the Church,

  • and thus any man who falls short of this medium, is totally wanting in faith."

The pope is infallible when he defines a doctrine* ex cathedra*, but he is otherwise quite capable of making even the gravest of errors against the doctrines of the Faith.’

Please stay on topic, everyone. Thank you.

Some even refuse to admit that the Pope (or a council) can err, and follow him into error. That is gravely sinful because the Church teaches that in matters of faith and morals, we are bound to give assent to the infallible teaching of the Church, “established in the faith as ye have been taught” (Col.2:7), rather than to the fallible and erroneous doctrines of an erring pope (or council).

This nonsense is pure heresy and against our Catholic faith. Do you believe we should all subscribe to Fr. Kramer? WHOA!
And DOUBLE Whoa!

The Motu Propio is not bad at all, so why is there a locomotion around

What’s a “locomotion”?

I think you meant, “All the commotion”. :smiley:

What surprises me is many faithful at my parish who went thru the changes of V2 are actually in panic over the Motu Propio. They’ve misunderstood it as B-16 is mandating Latin again. I was quite surprised that I had to explain it to some of my RCIA team recently.

It is a shame that the faithful didn’t go through all that panic when after Vatican II all the modernist changes were thrust upon us.

Well, it wasn’t so much of a panic about the whole thing as it was their misunderstanding that the vernacular was going away. They actually were excited about the prospect of the altar moving and the priest turning back around.

Until it is actually released, we won’t know.

It is possible that it might be the declaration of the SSPX being in formal schism… It might be the reunification of the SSPX…

Until the text itself is released, we just have rumors spread by a few Cardinals.

Again, the source is irrelavent. For instance, if I got a letter from Cardinal Lefebvre off of traditio, would it be any less a letter from Cardinal Lefebvre. Besides that, even if the guy never existed, the points in his letter are valid and illustrate what I was saying about Pastor Aeternus. So, go ahead and say that the letter is totally fake, read the parts regarding PA and take them as my point. Besides that, while I’m not arguing one way or another, when you say something is not reputable, you might expalin why to give some credence to your argument.

A majority of Bishops have ignored or found a way around + Pope John Paul II Motu Proprio, what makes people think that this one will be different ?

Can’t comment in all truth till it happens…

james

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