When someone refuses to confess the sin of undergoing invitrofertilization

Had long discussion with my sister regarding in vitro. She had undergone the procedure about 6 years ago. She is obstinate in believing that its not morally reprehensible and refuses to talk to a priest about it, refuses to read up on why the Church is against it, and of course refuses to confess her sin. I don’t understand how someone who is catholic refuses to understand Church teaching. I guess that I’m just venting here. Any ideas how I can I deal with my sis who is completely hostile when it comes to discussing Church teachings? Thx

You don’t understand how when you really, really want to do or to have something, you don’t want to hear why it is wrong or why you shouldn’t? Ignorance is often easier to defend than defiance.

You can pray for her.

If you want to keep having a good relationship with her, you won’t continue on this.

She is going to hear that you think she needs to confess the sin of having her child.

Right. I wouldn’t push the issue. You said your piece. If she gets “hostile” when you talk about it, you’re probably not going to make much forward progress at the present moment. Keep praying.

Agree

Just this past week I had this very discussion with a woman that’s niece is hostile to the Church because her mom had divorced and couldn’t receive communion before before she died. My friend has been trying to help her niece understand the Church’s teaching on divorce but the girl won’t listen and my friend is afraid that she is alienating her even more. We decided that all we could do is pray for her to someday understand before it is too late. :signofcross:

Forgive me, but what on earth makes you feel that your sister’s very personal life has anything to do with you?
God alone knows her mind and her heart - accept her decision with love and don’t discuss it any more if you don’t want to lose her. It is her business - not yours.

blaskoman;12121880] Had long discussion with my sister regarding in vitro. She had undergone the procedure about 6 years ago. She is obstinate in believing that its not morally reprehensible and refuses to talk to a priest about it, refuses to read up on why the Church is against it, and of course refuses to confess her sin. I don’t understand how someone who is catholic refuses to understand Church teaching. I guess that I’m just venting here. Any ideas how I can I deal with my sis who is completely hostile when it comes to discussing Church teachings? Thx

Please tell me blaskoman, on what Scriptures does your Church base its’ assertion that in-vitro fertilization is a sin? If not on Scripture, how can it be a sin seeing that,

“…sin is transgression of the Law” 1 John 3:4

It is possible that she believes it morally acceptable and has not sinned in being involved. Don’t judge her as a sinner until you can see her soul.

That would be the 8th Commandment, “Thou shall not kill”. The in-vitro fertilization process involves the destruction of human embryos, not allowed by God or the Catholic Church.

You could have a Mass said for “A special intention:”:gopray2:

There is only one thing you can do. It is to do what Jesus told us, time and time again.

Love her!

I’m sorry but this is not accurate. While it may be common sadly for those in the IVF business to discard embryos, each patient personally decides what is to be done with their embryos. Many cryopreserve them and return for them at a later date. Some also only have one egg fertilized and the resulting embryo transferred into the uterus. So just because the two happen to coincide in some cases doesn’t mean they necessarily go hand in hand.

As for the OP question, I’m reminded of what Jesus said about removing planks from one’s own eye first.

My sister brought up the conversation enumerating the virtues of invitrofertilization. Am I to remain silent and nod my head when I know it’s an immoral act? Scripture tells us to admonish the sinner. I was being charitable by trying to educate my sis…my very first post back in 2008 was to seek advice about my sis getting married in a las Vegas casino “chapel” to a divorced man. So she’s completely turned away from Church teachings and Mass attendance since then and even years before her marriage. I avoid talking to her about her lack of faith UNTIL she commences a conversation.

Check out Donum Vitae-- this outlines the papal teaching with regard to in vitro fertilization.

The magisterium of the Church has proclaimed dogmas or teachings that cannot be traced to a literal reading of scripture. Take for example the dogma of the immaculate conception. This is not literally mentioned in the NT.

Protector:
Please tell me blaskoman, on what Scriptures does your Church base its’ assertion that in-vitro fertilization is a sin? If not on Scripture, how can it be a sin seeing that,
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“…sin is transgression of the Law” 1 John 3:4

Catholic1954;12122486] That would be the 8th Commandment, “Thou shall not kill”. …

Or, to put it another way - the 6th Commandment, “Thou shall not kill” Exodus 20:13 KJV

Protector.

It certainly is much different if she is the one initiating these topics of conversation.

I don’t think you have to smile and nod as though nothing is wrong. Just do your best to keep a very kind and loving tone. That isn’t always easy in these situations.

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