When were Adam and Eve suppose to exist?


#1

If the first humans were suppose to be on Earth 150,000 years ago, shouldn’t we also give this date to Adam and Eve?

How does this interefere with the “family tree” of Jesus’ ancestry?


#2

Well, the earliest known human writings came from the Sumerian civilization somewhere around 4,000 BC. If we go back 150,000 years, there may be evidence of hominids that are classified as homo sapiens; but we can’t really tell if they are the same species as we are since they left no writings. We don’t know how or what they thought or even if they thought abstractly in the same way we do.


#3

“DNA evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 250,000 years ago.” -wikipedia


#4

Wikipedia is probably wrong in this. As far as I know, the oldest fossil examples of anatomically modern humans (from Herto, Ethiopia) are dated to 160,000 years ago.

Alec
evolutionpages.com


#5

(1) Wikipedia is not a credible source of anything

(2) We don’t know when Adam and Eve lived, nor is it in any way necessary to know.


#6

(1) Agreed

(2) Well, the problem is that there was no literal Adam and Eve - modern humans derive from more than two parents - the population of the human lineage exceeded two - at least as far back as the divergence of the human and chimpanzee lineages 6 - 7 million years ago.

Alec
evolutionpages.com/Mitochondrial%20Eve.htm


#7

Yes, there was.

Blah, blah, blah. Not relevant.

We know that when God bestowed a soul on Adam and Eve human life began. We do not know when this occurred. From that point, all persons descended from them. Monogenesis.


#8

I don’t know enough anthropology to argue monogenesis; but this is the point I intended to make about the earliest written histories. From a philosophical standpoint, human beings are composites of body and soul, and there is no way to tell anthropologically whether hominids existing in prehistory had a human soul.


#9

Adam and Eve did exist. This is the teaching of the Church.


#10

This Is The Correct Response (TITCR)


#11

Yes, there was.
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The myth of two parents for modern humans is not supported by the evidence.

Blah, blah, blah. Not relevant.

Erudite argument there. Well done.

We know that when God bestowed a soul on Adam and Eve human life began. We do not know when this occurred. From that point, all persons descended from them. Monogenesis.

However, the evidence does not support the myth that extant humans are descended from just two parents. You can ignore the evidence if it offends you, but that doesn’t make it go away. The fact is that modern humans are descended from more than two parents.

Alec
evolutionpages.com/Mitochondrial%20Eve.htm


#12

It is not an anthropological but a genetic question

Alec
evolutionpages.com


#13

Non sequitur.

Alec


#14

It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism).

In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” (Humani Generis 37).

The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).

source: catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp


#15

According to the geneaologies around 10,000 years ago.

Interpreting the Genealogies of Genesis Page

Science says - read above.


#16

This, however, falls in the face of the evidence that shows that extant humans descend from a population of more than two. I’m afraid that Pius XII’s views on this are based on the myth of Genesis and are trumped by the evidence which is that there never was a single couple from whom the whole of humankind biologically descended. There is justification for accepting the story of Adam and Eve and the Fall as an allegory for the loss of innocence in the human race - there is, however, no warrant for treating it as literally true, and this is so regardless of what this or that pope might teach.

Alec
evolutionpages.com


#17

Trust that I will show more respect to the pope than you when it comes to anything. :rolleyes:


#18

Why would you respect the pope’s views on matters that he has no learning in?

Alec
evolutionpages.com


#19

Constant Catholic teaching is what we rely on. (accumulated knowledge and truth)


#20

Nevertheless the pope has neither learning nor authority on scientific matters.

Alec


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