Where?-accept God's pardon + no punishment

Just received a Christian apologist’s explanation and I wondered if anyone can explain where this doctrine is found in the bible? I don’t find it in my Revised Ignatius:

If anyone accepts the pardon God offers through Jesus, they will not be punished as they deserve but will instead receive the kindest mercy of all, complete forgivenss.” Gregory Koukl from Stand to Reason

I’ve heard the above quote in other Protestant circles and the part I really don’t follow is ’ they will not be punished as they deserve…’

This concept seems to allow for some punishment, just not ‘the punishment one deserves.’

Your comments please.

Christ’s peace,
D in AZ

I don’t know about specific Bible verses … Perhaps Colossians 2:12-14:
12and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

But there is some truth to their statement. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1263 says:By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.

Of course, when it says *all personal sins *it means *all past personal sins. *Any future (post-baptismal) personal sins and their corresponding punishments, eternal and/or temporal, are not considered in this paragraph but in the section on the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation and the section on Indulgences, especially paragraphs 1472-1473, which says:

  1. To understand this doctrine and practice [of indulgences] of the Church, it is necessary to understand that sin has a *double consequence. *Grave sin deprives us of communion with God and therefore makes us incapable of eternal life, the privation of which is called the “eternal punishment” of sin. On the other hand every sin, even venial, entails an unhealthy attachment to creatures, which must be purified either here on earth, or after death in the state called Purgatory. This purification frees one from what is called the “temporal punishment” of sin. These two punishments must not be conceived of as a kind of vengeance inflicted by God from without, but as following from the very nature of sin. A conversion which proceeds from a fervent charity [a.k.a. an act of perfect contrition] can attain the complete purification of the sinner in such a way that no punishment would remain.

  2. The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God [obtained in the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation] entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the “new man.” (Ephesians 4:22, 24.)

Thanks much,Todd.

When I read the quote from Mr. Koukl, I wondered how the once for all forgiveness is achieved, and then recall the ABC formula which I had heard:" Admit you are a sinner, Believe in the Lord Jesus and Commit your life to God"

So my next question would be, when you have fallen, “and we all are sinners” as my Protestant family members would say and I with them, how do you restore/repair your relationship with God?

I think there is something a person must do, in addition to God accepting our contrition and intention of avoiding sin and doing our best to make ammends.God doesn’t force us to love or repair our relationship as he didn’t make us robots or passive non-thinkers.

Yes, God acts in us and forgives us through his bountiful mercy, but He is just and fair and rewards us for our effort and lack of effort. There are eternal consequences for whatever we leave unrepaired intentionally, and for unrepentance.

I can never see the ‘once saved always saved’ in Scripture or Tradition. It doesn’t exist when the entire context of God’s Word is searched. (While the Thessalonians searched the Jewish Scriptures and didn’t find what Paul preached- a type of Sola Scriptura-and thus rejected Paul and Christ; the Bereans searched the scriptures and accepted the New Testament and accepted Jesus through the Good News which Paul preached, a new message which had never been preached before.)

The only time I see the “all you have to do is believe in the Lord Jesus to be saved” philosophy is when I read the writings of those 1500 years after our Lord promised to be always with us and to lead us into all truth.

If faith comes by hearing, and I believe it does as God has said so in His holy Word, then truth existed during the times of the Apostles and thereafter. Truth didn’t just disappear for 1400 years and suddenly *resurface *during the times of Luther, Zwingli, Calvin, Wesley, King Henry VIII, Joseph Smith, etc.

It’s so confusing for people when so many thousands of sects are contradicting one another, disagreeing on whether Baptism is needed or whether it is ‘just a symbol’, etc, etc.

Christ’s church teaches that the undeserved grace of God is what is needed to reach eternal salvation, which Jesus gained for us through his passion and death, if we remain in God’s grace…and God helps us do this. He gave us his commandments and His Word, His body and bride the church, His very *son’s body and blood *to nourish us, His Word made flesh, which pour out His grace into our hearts, minds,souls ,and strength.

Christ’s Peace,
D in AZ

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