Where in the Bible does it say to not eat meat on Friday's of Lent?

Do you always jump to conclusions based on your feelings?

I don’t think he is basing this on his feelings, so much as on the plain sense of the text. :wink:

The Bible does not require anyone to abstain from meat on any day. In fact, the only passages in the New Testament that talk about it are Acts 15:29 and 1 Timothy 4:3. The passage in Acts 15 says that the only parts of the Law of Moses required by the elders and apostles in the congregation in Jerusalem were prohibitions against idolatry, fornication, and eating blood and meats from strangled animals. It says nothing about abstaining on certain days.

The passage in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 says, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” This says that people who command others (the Catholic church) to abstain from meats are false teachers!! Whether it is talking about people who insist that others practice a vegetarian lifestyle at all times or whether it is talking about abstaining only on certain days (like Fridays) is unclear. Maybe it applies to both.

The practice of not eating meat on Fridays (all Fridays) dates back to about the fourth century. It is written in some writings of that time that it was a practice, but does not say it was a sin. Anyone who says it is a sin would have to prove it by the Bible, and the Bible says that requiring people to abstain from meat is itself a sin. Anyone who chooses not to eat meat on any particular day is within their rights to do so. Anyone who requires it of others is absolutely wrong.

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On EWTN’s “Web of Faith” Saturday, the priests discussed the former practice of the Church NOT to give absolution for sins UNTIL the penitent had performed all of their penance, which could last for years! We are so very blessed to have these very small opportunities to unite with the entire Body of Christ, sacrificing in atonement for our sins (which is really not much of a sacrifice to abstain from meat one day per week).

As for being biblical, Jesus taught that unless we do penance, we will surely perish. It is a mandate, yet the Church does not impose great penances upon us that would be difficult to perform. Voluntarily, we may choose to do more, but this is the very minimum that is asked of us.

Wow… we’re reviving a six-year-old thread? :shrug:

That’s not true. In Judges 20:26, the entire army fasted and sacrificed to the Lord prior to an attack on the Benjaminites. In 1 Samuel 7, Samuel ordered the “whole house of Israel” to “return to the Lord with your whole heart,” and the Israelites fasted for a day. In 1 Samuel 14, Saul commands the army to fast on a day of battle. In 1 Samuel 31 (and 1 Chronicles 10), men fast for a whole week after burying Saul and Jonathan. In 2 Chronicles 20, Jehosaphat orders a fast for all of the Kingdom of Judah. In Ezra 8, Ezra assembles everyone who had returned from the exile in Babylon and proclaimed a fast for all the people so that they might have a safe journey.

But, that’s just the Old Testament. You might reply that there’s nothing in the New Testament that speaks to us of the necessity of fasting. That would be false, too. :wink:

In Mt 9:14, Mk 2:18, and Lk 5:33, Jesus tells John’s disciples that His disciples are not currently fasting, but that they will fast when He is taken away from them. In Acts 13, the prophets and teachers of the Church in Antioch were fasting and worshipping the Lord, prior to sending off Barnabas and Saul on their ministry.

So, it’s clear that there are many Scriptural examples of fasting – even fasting that was required, and fasting prescribed for all! And, after all, abstinence is a form of fast – that is, a fast from animal products…!

The passage in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 says, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.” This says that people who command others (the Catholic church) to abstain from meats are false teachers!! Whether it is talking about people who insist that others practice a vegetarian lifestyle at all times or whether it is talking about abstaining only on certain days (like Fridays) is unclear.

It’s not unclear. Paul identifies that the foods from which people abstain are ones that should be “received with thanksgiving.” Do Catholics “receive with thanksgiving” all sorts of meat? Of course they do! Therefore, this passage isn’t talking about periodic abstinence, but permanent abstinence… which is not part of the Catholic observance of Lent. :wink:

The practice of not eating meat on Fridays (all Fridays) dates back to about the fourth century.

I would argue that it’s earlier than that: the Didache specifically talks about days of fast. Again, abstinence is a form of fast – it’s fasting from animal products!

the Bible says that requiring people to abstain from meat is itself a sin.

No, it doesn’t! You yourself quoted the passage: it doesn’t talk about meat at all – that’s a presumption you’ve inserted into the text! :wink:

Anyone who requires it of others is absolutely wrong.

That’s not what Jesus says. Remember when he was talking about the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23? He tells the people that “the scribes and Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you.” In other words, since they had legitimate authority from God, they could command the people to observe particular religious practices; and, Jesus tells the people that they must obey these leaders when they made these commands. So, if the leaders required a person to fast or abstain… then, according to Jesus, it was completely legitimate and was binding on the people.

By the way… who did Jesus set as the authorities in His Church? Oh, yeah, that’s right… Peter and the apostles. So… if their successors – who now sit upon the seat of Peter – prescribe a fast or an abstinence, based on their authority… then it would seem that Jesus’ own words tell us that we are to listen to what they say and observe the things that that require. :wink:

Well said, Gorgias! :thumbsup:

1 Timothy 4:1-3 says, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, AND COMMANDING TO ABSTAIN FROM MEATS, which GOD hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.”

Its quite clear.

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From my understanding, we give up eating meat on Fridays during Lent and I believe in some countries every Friday, because Jesus Christ gave up His Flesh on Friday for our Salvation and this is the reason we deny ourselves eating “flesh” on Fridays and also on Ash Wednesday.

In our own small way we are honoring Christ for His great sacrifice for us.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

Maybe it’s “clear” in your own mind, because you twist it to suit your understanding. Did you miss Gorgias’ sentence? “This passage isn’t talking about periodic abstinence, but permanent abstinence.” Catholics do not permanently abstain from meat. It is a holy discipline that takes place for eight days only during lent … not even close to your interpretation of that scripture!

Other faith denominations also abstain from meat on Fridays in lent, not just Catholics. McDonald’s knows this, and has offered a special value for fish sandwiches for the entire Lenten period. :wink: Our local grocers also have specials on fish during lent, so it is not reserved for Catholics only.

Anyone who has studied scripture knows that Paul was writing about Jews who insisted on the continuation of the Law of Moses which forbid eating pork.

Romans 14 says that we are supposed to honor each others decision to eat or abstain.

*Let not him who eats despise him who abstains, and let not him who abstains pass judgment on him who eats; for God has welcomed him. (Romans 14:3)

He who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. He also who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; while he who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. (Romans 14:6)*

Abstinence from meat is only required for Catholics who are bound by canon law. Abstinence from meat has nothing to do with non-Catholics, nothing to do with you, so please obey Romans 14:6 and leave us alone. Whether we eat or abstain, let’s just all give thanks to God, just like it says in the Bible.

-Tim-

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Tim,

Thank you!! I was seeing if any of you got this. You did Tim and you are correct.
God Bless

In Daniel 10:2-3, it says that Daniel was sad and didn’t eat meat nor wine for 3 weeks

Jesus did not teach that we have to do penance. That is totally ‘works’ based. That more than likely comes from an outdated translation. Rather than ‘penance’ the correct word is repent (which does not require works).

Regarding not eating meat on Friday. It’s a tradition of the Catholic church and not mandated by Jesus.

Colossians 2:8 (NIV)

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Also…

Colossians 2:16 (NIV)

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

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As did the doctrine of the Trinity and the canon of the bible among other things you use, well, mostly use in your faith. I assume you do not use the original 73 book canon which is fine with me and if you want to eat meat on Fridays please feel free. There are even those who have effectively adapted both of these into their faith and also no longer believe in the Trinity because it to was a fourth century invention. :rolleyes:

It is written in some writings of that time that it was a practice, but does not say it was a sin. Anyone who says it is a sin would have to prove it by the Bible

How is this possible in say, the 3rd century, when the bible canon was extremely fluid?

Peace!!!

Umm… wait a minute… :hmmm:

So, all your bluster about “This says that people who command others (the Catholic church) to abstain from meats are false teachers!!” was really just some sort of test to see if we’d talk about the connection between Jewish abstinence from pork? Really? :doh2:

You were consciously deceiving us, so that you could determine whether we’d ignore your concerns and instead mention pork? :tsktsk:

I think you are mistaken. Here are a few links that record the word “penance” for that scripture. I presume non-C’s have reinvented the wheel and wording to avoid the obligation, since most non-C’s believe in OSAS - period. This is not our understanding. You are a guest here on CAF, so I request that you not attempt to teach us what we should believe, based on your literal views of scripture.

haydock1859.tripod.com/id1495.html

salvemariaregina.info/UnlessYedoPenance.html

theworkofgod.org/Devotns/Euchrist/HolyMass/gospels.asp?key=58

Even if the word was transcribed as “repent,” it is completely in line with John the Baptist’s ministry, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Mark 1:4. It means the penance of a change of life. This is the only worthy translation, no matter which word is used. Otherwise, as Jesus stated, “We will perish.”

I’m glad I passed your test. My request that you allow us to live our faith as we see fit however, stands.

One thing I have learned in 50 years of life on this planet is that people have to live their own lives. They can’t live our lives but have to live their own.You will not stand judgment for what we do. Please just let us live our own lives.

-Tim-

Colossians 2:16 and Romans 14 destroy the idea that we as Christians must participate in observance of days or abstinence of foods in order to say we’re doing greater than our brothers.

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Friday abstinence from meat during Lent is a church discipline, a directive by church leaders, and its necessary observance falls under the general biblical command, “Obey your leaders and submit to them…” (Hebrew 13:17)

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