Which Church

Which Church is the church that Christ founded?

There are a million denominations and they are all fundamentally similar but not exactly the same. There is no head of them to keep them together so they are all separate.

Which one is Christs church?

I am Catholic, Jesus gave Peter the keys and there is a succession since Christ set it up,so as far as I am concerned and scripture,history and early church fathers it’s The Holy Catholic Church:) God Bless

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I agree with her! :smiley:

Ditto :smiley:

Yours in the Spirit

Pious

Christ gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, with the authority to bind and to loose. It is through the successor of St. Peter, the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) that all the churches find unity. Those churches that are in union with the Church of Rome are in Christ’s Church. There are only denominations because some choose to reject the pastoral oversight of Christ’s vicar on earth.

Please see catholic.com/library/church_papacy.asp, scripturecatholic.com/primacy_of_peter.html. catholicoutlook.com/pope.php, and ic.net/~erasmus/ERASMUS4.HTM for extensive explanations and defences of the doctrine of the papacy.

(See cin.org/users/james/files/papacy.htm in particular for a good explanation of the role of the pope).
God bless you in your search.

In Christ,
Tyler

Agree 100%. http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/forum/fffmain/smilies/nothingtogive.gif :wink:

[quote=santaro75]Which Church is the church that Christ founded?

There are a million denominations and they are all fundamentally similar but not exactly the same. There is no head of them to keep them together so they are all separate.

Which one is Christs church?
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All those non-Catholic denominations can trace their roots back to a single point in their history. For example, Martin Luther wanted change and broke away. Only the Catholics can trace their roots back to Jesus installing Peter as the first Pope.

The first church, that was founded for Christ and put rock in the shoulders of Peter and the following popes, all the others are human religions like islam, budhism or others, do you think Santaro that Jesus waited 1000 years and 1500 years without saying the truth, it isn´t possible

Below is a list of some of the Christian breakaways from the Catholic Church:

100-200 AD: EBIONITES a group of Jewish Christians who broke away on the grounds that the law of Moses should bind all Christians; and also believed that Christ was the Son of God only from the moment of baptism or from the birth but not from eternity or by nature.

172 AD: MONTANISTS expected a fast outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Church, it’s founder was named Montanus who preached in Phrygia, in modern day Turkey. They thought that the Church was to relax in its discipline in particular to those who had rejected Christ under fear of persecution.

319 AD: ARIANISM from a priest in Alexandria named Arius who denied the full divinity of Christ, it’s popularity spread rapidly and was one of the major force against the Catholic Church for more than two centuries.

725 AD: ICONOCLASM referred to a group of Christians who believed that images of Christ and those of the Saints were reality idolatry and began to break and destroy all icons. But in 787 a general council in Nicea decreed that icons were legitimate, since God had become man in Jesus Christ and therefore human forms could be portrayed in images.

1054 AD: THE EASTERN ORTHODOX CHURCHES rejected the primacy of the Pope and the Latin clause of the Creed which stated that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father AND the Son (filiogue), began to become more and more separated from the Western Christianity.

1184 AD: WALDENSIANS were followers of a rich merchant named Valdes who came from Lyons and were excommunicated from the Catholic Church by the Council of Verona for preaching freelance outside the jurisdiction of the Church and for claiming that the Eucharist celebrated by an unworthy Priest is invalid.

1380 AD: JOHN WYCLIF also known as ‘The Morning Star of the Reformation’ preached that the visible ‘material’ Church has it’s only authority from the invisible ‘spiritual’ Church in the heart of each believer.

1521 AD: THE LUTHERAN CHURCH from it’s founder an Augustinian friar who was excommunicated by decree of the Pope. Luther denied the Catholic Eucharist doctrine of Transubstantiation and the Sacrifice of the Mass; and believed that each Christian was justified by faith alone, personally, quite apart from the authority of the Church and it’s sacramental system. This began the launch of the Protestant Reformation.

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1531 AD: THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND/ANGLICAN CHURCH, was started by King Henry VIII who placed himself as Supreme Head of the Church in England because the Pope had refused to grant him an annulment of his marriage with Queen Catherine of Aragon, so that he could be free to marry his lover Ann Boleyn. In 1534 the English parliament passed a series of Acts severing links with Rome and forced all English clergy to recognise King Henry VIII as Head of the Church of England.

1533 AD: CALVANISTS from a French lawyer John Calvin who broke away from the Catholic Church after a religious experience in which he believed that he had received a mission to restore the Church to it’s original purity. In 1536 he accepted an invitation to go to Geneva to establish a Christian state based upon the Bible, Calvin had a strong doctrine of predestination, believing that God predestined some souls to go to heaven and the others to hell.

The PRESBYTERIAN, CONGREGATIONALIST (now combined in to The UNITED REFORMED CHURCH) and the DUTCH REFORMED CHURCH take their inspiration from Calvin’s concept of Reformed Christianity.

1612 AD: BAPTIST CHURCH founded in London (U.K) under the leadership of Thomas Elwys, the Baptists believed that only ‘born again’ or committed Christians could be baptised; hence infant baptism was invalid, since the infant could not make a conscious act of commitment to Christ.

1738 AD: THE METHODIST CHURCH began with John Wesley an Anglican clergyman who experienced conversion, and becomes a phenomenally successful out door preacher, especially to the new poor of the industrial revolution. He founded a group of like minded lay preachers, but ran in to trouble with the Church of England when he ordained a Bishop without official authority in the U.S.A. the followers of Wesley are called Methodists a nickname given to Wesley when he was at Oxford.

1870 AD: THE OLD CATHOLIC CHURCH a group of Catholics break away from Rome because they can not accept the universal jurisdiction and the infallibility of the Pope. They joined the CHURCH OF UTRECHT (divided from Rome in 1774) and small groups of Slavic origin.

1900 AD: THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH began with a group of American Protestant Christians that believed that they can receive the same gifts of the Holy Spirit as the first Christians received, in particular the gift of healing and speaking in tongues. First the American ‘HOLINESS CHURCHES’ and later the ASEMBLIES OF GOD and denominations such as the INTERNATIONA CHURCH OF THE FORESQUARE GOSPEL are founded.

(Source: Faith Alive)

Yours in the Spirit

Pious.

Study history and read Scripture. You will find proof without doubt that Christ founded the Catholic Church.

To study history is to become Catholic.

Now what about the Jews? They were Gods chosen people? I will only add that the Jews were Gods chosen people prior to Christ founding the Catholic Church on pentecost 33 A.D.

Many protestants have become historical revisionists. They think it is so important to rewrite history to trace their rots back to Jesus but allways come up empty handed. Just look at the book Trail Of Blood as an example and see the lame attempts many make to proof the Catholics were not the Church Christ founded. The Baptists were founded by Christ? I think not. Try 1607 A.D. and John Smyth.

It is important to be in the Church founded by Christ since He gave that Church His authority on earth and that Church produced Scripture for us. The greatest act of honor is that the protestants use our Bible, though edited and abridged, as their source of Gods Word. Just like kids honor their parents by playing house.

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]I am Catholic, Jesus gave Peter the keys
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If the keys were given only to Peter, why do Catholic statues and holy pictures show bishops holding the keys? :confused:

[quote=santaro75]Which Church is the church that Christ founded?

There are a million denominations and they are all fundamentally similar but not exactly the same. There is no head of them to keep them together so they are all separate.

Which one is Christs church?
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There are only two real possibilities. The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox. These are in fact one church in a state of schism. It is this Church which can trace the succession if its prelates directly back to the apostles. Additionally, reading the early post apostolic patristic writings, Church Councils, the didache, and all evidence available leads to the undeniable conclusion that this is the Church which Jesus Christ founded.

May the peace of Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.

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[quote=Fr Ambrose]If the keys were given only to Peter, why do Catholic statues and holy pictures show bishops holding the keys? :confused:
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Which statues? What holy pictures? Mt 16:18-19.

Yeah, Catholics, **SHOUT IT OUT! **


Christ founded the Catholic Church for the salvation of the world and intended that all of his followers should belong to this one Church, which is His Body (Col 1:15-18 et al.), His Bride (Ephesians 5:25-33 et al.). Do what Jesus wants – be Catholic!

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1531 AD: THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND/ANGLICAN CHURCH, was started by King Henry VIII who placed himself as Supreme Head of the Church in England because the Pope had refused to grant him an annulment of his marriage with Queen Catherine of Aragon, so that he could be free to marry his lover Ann Boleyn. In 1534 the English parliament passed a series of Acts severing links with Rome and forced all English clergy to recognise King Henry VIII as Head of the Church of England.

1533 AD: CALVANISTS from a French lawyer John Calvin who broke away from the Catholic Church after a religious experience in which he believed that he had received a mission to restore the Church to it’s original purity. In 1536 he accepted an invitation to go to Geneva to establish a Christian state based upon the Bible, Calvin had a strong doctrine of predestination, believing that God predestined some souls to go to heaven and the others to hell.

The PRESBYTERIAN, CONGREGATIONALIST (now combined in to The UNITED REFORMED CHURCH) and the DUTCH REFORMED CHURCH take their inspiration from Calvin’s concept of Reformed Christianity.

1612 AD: BAPTIST CHURCH founded in London (U.K) under the leadership of Thomas Elwys, the Baptists believed that only ‘born again’ or committed Christians could be baptised; hence infant baptism was invalid, since the infant could not make a conscious act of commitment to Christ.

1738 AD: THE METHODIST CHURCH began with John Wesley an Anglican clergyman who experienced conversion, and becomes a phenomenally successful out door preacher, especially to the new poor of the industrial revolution. He founded a group of like minded lay preachers, but ran in to trouble with the Church of England when he ordained a Bishop without official authority in the U.S.A. the followers of Wesley are called Methodists a nickname given to Wesley when he was at Oxford.

1870 AD: THE OLD CATHOLIC CHURCH a group of Catholics break away from Rome because they can not accept the universal jurisdiction and the infallibility of the Pope. They joined the CHURCH OF UTRECHT (divided from Rome in 1774) and small groups of Slavic origin.

1900 AD: THE PENTECOSTAL CHURCH began with a group of American Protestant Christians that believed that they can receive the same gifts of the Holy Spirit as the first Christians received, in particular the gift of healing and speaking in tongues. First the American ‘HOLINESS CHURCHES’ and later the ASEMBLIES OF GOD and denominations such as the INTERNATIONA CHURCH OF THE FORESQUARE GOSPEL are founded.

(Source: Faith Alive)

Yours in the Spirit

Pious.
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This is very niave. A Protesant or Orthodox may see things the same way, but just say that the Catholic Church broke away officially at 1054 or at Trent.

The Catholic church broke away? From who?

[quote=Katholikos]Yeah, Catholics, **SHOUT IT OUT! **
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When all the shouting has died down, take a look at this Timeline of the Church…

It’s in .pdf format so you need Adobe Reader

odox.net/A%20Timeline%20of%20Church%20History.pdf

[quote=santaro75]The Catholic church broke away? From who?
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A Protestant might answer: Not who, but what did they break away from. From the Gospel. Therefore, where the Gospel is, there is the Church. Without the Gospel, there is no Church. Therefore, the Church lives and dies by the Gospel.

A Orthodox might answer: From the True Church as mediated by the creeds and the succession of Bishops when Rome claimed unquestionable authority and therefore currupted the line of succession as it was set up.

Michael

[quote=santaro75]The Catholic church broke away? From who?
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What is now the Roman Catholic Church was, until around 1054, one of the Five Patriarchates of the Christian world. There was Rome, Jerusalem, Constantinople, Antioch and Alexandria. All of them enjoyed love and communion for 1000 years.

Then, in the 11th century, Rome broke communion with the other four Patriarchates.

These four Patriarchates remained in unity and today they are still the more important Churches in the Orthodox world. Sadly, Rome is now in isolation from her ancient sister Churches.

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