Who In OSAS Is This?


#1

Who did the Father give Him - who also received His words and believed who He was and who was prayed for, but who was lost - so scripture could be fulfilled. Was he never saved?

6 I have manifested thy name to the men whom thou hast given me out of the world. Thine they were, and to me thou gavest them; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known, that all things which thou hast given me, are from thee: 8 Because the words which thou gavest me, I have given to them; and they have received them, and have known in very deed that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. 9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them whom thou hast given me: because they are thine: 10 And all my things are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am not in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name whom thou has given me; that they may be one, as we also are. 12 While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled.


#2

Of course he was once saved, but not always. “For he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry.” Acts
1:17.


#3

Even as a non-Christian, OSAS just sounds like nonsense. However, the Church itself has made no pronouncement on Judas’ current whereabouts, so damning him doesn’t help the argument against it. OSAS is silly enough, you don’t have to try to disprove it through example :slight_smile:


#4

You make a good point. The Church has no revelation concerning Judas.

And yet, I doubt there’s one OSAS believer in a million who is not certain that Judas is in hell. So it is a conundrum for them, if not for the Church.


#5

I do not go beyond what St.John said, ‘and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition’.
If you are unhappy with St.John, please, take it up with him…:wink:
Where he is, is not so much the point as that he fell from where he was.


#6

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