In discourse between two people who disagree, but who both accept reason, there can be discussion, and perhaps they’ll both learn something about the way the world works. But if the two people believe on faith, there’s nothing to discuss; there is no possibility for dialogue.
I genuinely appreciate this statement of your view, in both
a clear and succint manner.
If by “reason” you mean: those areas of human
endeavor that are materially verifiable - scientism - then
I agree with the view that you have expressed, in the
quote, cited above. “creation” in a literal “7 days”…
I…don’t…think…so…in terms of dialog.]
If one holds that there is no such ‘reality’ as ‘revealed truth’ -
aka religious scriptures…then, no, there is no possibility
of fruitful dialogue [in my view]…for one of the participants
holds that the other bases his/her world -view on…fantasy.
“Elegant” fantasy - but fantasy, nonetheless. :tiphat:
A futile endeavor, I think, such dialog.
As I have stated, elsewhere, I hold that athiesm is not
an “illogical” position, even while not sharing that view.
But when a given athiest holds that what I hold - as
reflective of reality - is based on fantasy…what, exactly
is the point, in terms of ‘dialog’ ?
In terms of participating -however briefly - in another
thread - where the athiestic position is being discussed:
My endeavor was not to “challenge” the ‘logic’…but
to simply point out what the world would ‘look’ like,
if I were to accept the athiestic premise.
Hollow, empty…a ‘box.’ Not a pretty picture, I think,
no matter how Dawkins chooses to paint such a world.
Given athiests may protest my depiction - of such a world -
as solely my opinion, assessment…
I invite individuals to take a good, longggg look at the
’offerings’ of Dawkins…his world-view.
Then to read the book of Psalms.
This is where the fruitful ‘dialog’ may take place, I hold.
Not between ‘believers’ and athiests - on a forum.
But, rather, in the mind heart and soul of a given*…reader*, who
will take the time to ‘assess’ these ‘world-views.’ :tiphat:
Dawkins and the Psalms:
And, I’ll say one thing, I do not believe in God because
such belief paints a prettier “picture.”
But because of an ‘inherent sense’ that same reflects
As I said, in the other thread:
I expect no one to hold aught, based on my 'inherent sense.'
Yet that ‘sense’ is there.
Shma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad.
“Hear, O Israel, the Lord, our G-d, the Lord is One.”
Thanks for your thoughts, EnterTheBowser,