Whore of Babylon


#1

What’s the deal with all the “Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon” stuff?


#2

[quote=mark a]What’s the deal with all the “Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon” stuff?
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Hatred, just vile hatred that has been pssed down. What happen did you run into one of those websites?


#3

It’s part of protestant tradition. Martin Luther identified the catholic church as the whore of Babylon and the Office of the Pope was identified as the anti-christ. Martin Luther beleived he was living in the last days therefore breaking the church into factions wasn’t a big problem since the concpet of church was thrown out since the end of days was coming anyways the church has no further role to play as it was down to a remnant that remnant being Lutherans of course.

Considering I am here writing this 500 years later I would conclude Luther was wrong and looks like an idiot along with the many other protestants who have claimed they were living in the last days and the catholic church was the whore of babylon and the pope was the anti-christ.
This is a tradition of man that has been going on 500 years.
I beleive the Wels and LMCS Lutheran denoms still state in their statement of belief that the Pope is the anti-christ.
Hey guys feel free to get out of the middle ages anytime.
500 years is a long time hold a grudge people.


#4

[quote=mark a]What’s the deal with all the “Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon” stuff?
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Catholic Answers has the scoop:

Hunting the Whore of Babylon

Peace in Christ…Salmon


#5

I love the WHORE!!!


#6

Hi

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

This is the scripture that some get it from. I don’t believe in the rapture since it is not anywhere in scripture that I know of but this is where they get it.
The woman being the catholic church, seven mountains being that Rome is called the city that sits on seven mountains or hills.


#7

There’s just one teensy weensy problem with this “seven hills” business.
The city of Rome itself sits on seven hills.

Vatican city sits across the Tiber River away from the city.
Vatican city DOES NOT sit on seven hills.

The whore is a city. Most assume it is Rome, while some make the arguement for Jerusalem.


#8

[quote=Maccabees]It’s part of protestant tradition. Martin Luther identified the catholic church as the whore of Babylon and the Office of the Pope was identified as the anti-christ.
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Did Martin Luther himself advance that theory? I understand that he moved Revelations out of his Bible and to an unnumbered appendix.

It was later protestents that moved the book back in.


#9

[quote=Lorarose]There’s just one teensy weensy problem with this “seven hills” business.
The city of Rome itself sits on seven hills.

Vatican city sits across the Tiber River away from the city.
Vatican city DOES NOT sit on seven hills.

The whore is a city. Most assume it is Rome, while some make the arguement for Jerusalem.
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I don’t use that argument. I’m an RC not a VC.


#10

This is a good one too.

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/whore_of_babylon.htm

Maranatha, what’s a VC?


#11

QOUTE: "Some have tried to claim that the Roman Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon by pointing out that Rome has been referred to as a city on seven hills. The Seven Hills of Rome are; the Palatine, Aventine, Capitoline, Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, and the Caelian Hill. However, Saint Peter’s Basilica was built on Vatican Hill, Collis Vaticanus, which is on the other side of the Tiber River and is not one of these Seven Hills. St. Peter Basilica’s high altar was built directly on top of Saint Peter’s grave which was outside of the city and across the river. [See the book The Bones of St. Peter by John Evangelist Walsh]

The reference to the seven hills does fit in regards to Jerusalem".

The article is based on Schott Hahns teories. The whole of the article is to be found here:

SEVEN HILLS

CODE NAME

“BABYLON” IS CALLED THE GREAT CITY

“BABYLON” AND THE DEATHS OF THE PROPHETS

A CITY WITH FINE CLOTHING AND PRECIOUS STONES

DESTROYED WITH FIRE

HARLOT

ASSOCIATED WITH THE SCARLET BEAST

LIVED NEAR THE MANY WATERS

“BABYLON” HAS SOVEREIGNTY OVER THE NATIONS

MY PEOPLE

CONCLUSION

members.aol.com/johnprh/whore2.html#seven

G.Grace


#12

[quote=Maranatha]I don’t use that argument. I’m an RC not a VC.
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An RC that don’t follow VC (the senter of the Roman Catholic Church with the pope and the Magisterium) can’t be much of an RC!

G.Grace


#13

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These passages in the Gospels of Luke and Matthew describe what’s known as the woe’s Christ spoke to the leaders in Jerusalem. Followed by a passages in Revelation describing the whore of Babylon.

Luke 11:50 (New International Version)

50Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world,

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Matthew 23:30-35 (New International Version)**

**30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ **

35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth,

Revelation 18:24 (New International Version)

24In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth.”

**Revelation 16:6 (New International Version)**

**6for they have shed the blood of your saints and prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.” **


#14

Temple Judaism.


#15

Too bad the Vatican is on the other side of the Tiber, making it not one of the 7 hills of Rome.


#16

[quote=Gratias Grace]An RC that don’t follow VC (the senter of the Roman Catholic Church with the pope and the Magisterium) can’t be much of an RC!

G.Grace
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So you’re saying they are not one in the same? You’re saying the Pope is not the Bishop of Rome?

I know Rome has seven hills and I know what it says in the Bible. I don’t try to run and hide with semantics.

We won’t convince anyone with those tactics.


#17

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]Hatred, just vile hatred that has been pssed down. What happen did you run into one of those websites?
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No, not lately. I think I read it here somewhere.

What is the whore of Babylon’s claim to fame?


#18

[font=Times New Roman]Like anti-Catholic bigots? You’ll love these sites:

[/font]http://www.bible.ca/catholic.htm

[/font]http://jesus-is-lord.com/anti1.htm

Of course, to believe what these sites above claim you must interpret Scripture the way they say and leave parts of it out and add things they want.

Forgive them and pray for them.

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#19

[quote=mark a]No, not lately. I think I read it here somewhere.

What is the whore of Babylon’s claim to fame?
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Luther I think:confused: Correct me if I am wrong you guys.God Bless


#20

[quote=Lorarose]There’s just one teensy weensy problem with this “seven hills” business.
The city of Rome itself sits on seven hills.

Vatican city sits across the Tiber River away from the city.
Vatican city DOES NOT sit on seven hills.

The whore is a city. Most assume it is Rome, while some make the arguement for Jerusalem.
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Yeah, except that the seat of the Papacy is not St. Peter’s but the Lateran Basilica.

Anyone have any idea on what “hill” Lateran stands? I’d sure like to know. Some fundamentalists might get smart and point out that “oh, but you Catholics admit that the seat of the Papacy is the Lateran and not the Vatican, and the Lateran is on blah blah blah therefore whore of Babylon blah blah blah…”


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