Why Bother


#1

Why do anything in life?

Society is an abomination that only continues to grow more secular and anti-religious.

marriage is a joke...a flip of the coin if it succeeds or not...and is a meaningless word nowadays

Then you get a career for what?! To be another souless being to feed Uncle Sam until your a rotted old husk...

There was a time that none of the stuff mentioned above bothered me, I'd be willing to let the whole secular world be hell on earth if the Church was at my side, but not even that is reliable...it's just more of something you have to put in faith to believe; with nothing about it that makes it more believable than the atheist or the pagan.

Quite honestly the greatest blessing I could get was my family; it seems in the sea of bitter divorces, adultery, drugs that my biological parents were free from all that. Even their divorce was clean and they keep as close friends. If I had the same **** families that it seems every other person around me have I don't think I'd have very much of anything to live for...


#2

Dear Heart,
Obviously you are heartbroken and weighed down by the world in all it's deformities. It ahs clouded that which should be your light, which is Jesus Christ.

The best advice ican give you at this jucture is to forget about the uselessness of the world and even forget about a lot of the fal-der-all of "Church". Consentrate soley (and souly) on Christ himself. Go to him in simple prayer, just as you have done here. Lay all your worries before him.

If possible, go to adoration or just to church and sit before the tabernacle.

Try to remember that, in the end, when we face eternity, the only thing that will matter is Love.....

Peace
James


#3

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
Why do anything in life?

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Phillipians 4:13

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
Society is an abomination that only continues to grow more secular and anti-religious.

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This is a gross generalization.

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
marriage is a joke...a flip of the coin if it succeeds or not...and is a meaningless word nowadays

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My marriage is not a joke and doens't resemble your statement at all. People who are serious about marriage marry others who are serious about marriage. Those who think it's a joke act accordingly. So, it's all in your hands who you marry and what your marriage becomes.

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
Then you get a career for what?! To be another souless being to feed Uncle Sam until your a rotted old husk...

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That is not at all why my husband or I have a career, why we work, or how we feel about our work. We work for the glory of God.

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
There was a time that none of the stuff mentioned above bothered me, I'd be willing to let the whole secular world be hell on earth if the Church was at my side, but not even that is reliable...it's just more of something you have to put in faith to believe; with nothing about it that makes it more believable than the atheist or the pagan.

Quite honestly the greatest blessing I could get was my family; it seems in the sea of bitter divorces, adultery, drugs that my biological parents were free from all that. Even their divorce was clean and they keep as close friends. If I had the same **** families that it seems every other person around me have I don't think I'd have very much of anything to live for...

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Get some counseling.


#4

Society is a broken mess governed by broken messes. The Church has been racked by scandal and poor governance. And yes, your function as a worker is to keep the government running, which the government can't even seem to do competently these days (if ever).

So, what are you going to do to fix it? My generation is coming of age - some of us have already taken our places. Many of us will end up only solidifying previous generations' errors. A few will stand out. A few will fight. I see the youth of the Church in my area, strong and proud of their faith - far more solid than their parents. Is this how it always is - the youth seem strong and able but are only broken as life goes on? Maybe. Maybe not.

I am on a professional track - education. I am going to teach Latin. I will be paid little, and jobs will be hard to come by. But, I will pass on the language of the Eternal City to another generation. I will be among the number of those who preserve the linguistic heritage of our Church, so divided today - we need the unity. We stand together or fall alone.

Think of the times of deep persecution - the signs show that they are returning. Only the most solid, the material of saints and martyrs, will remain. The rest - all the rest, the hopeless, the faithless, the corrupt - all will abandon us, and our numbers will have been decimated by the traitors. Who will stand with Rome? Despite the apparent faith on this forum, not many will remain.

You are fortunate in the family you have. I will leave it at that. ...

Marriage is almost completely destroyed, thanks to contraception and divorce. The modern mentality is pleasure over any responsibilities - often in the name of responsibility.

I came into the Church by the guide of reason. I have had doubts, many, many doubts, and this Lent has been devoted to my trying to work out those doubts; and my doubts to not seem to die, but my doubts are born of an emotional reaction, and I trust my head over my heart. My reason says the Church is for me; my emotion thinks I jumped in too soon.

If I have found one thing in my experience - it is our struggles that make us strong. It is our fights, win or lose, that strengthen us. We learn from our losses; we gain momentum from our victories. We both know why society is in such a mess. Because it is governed by unrepentant messes. But why is the Church a mess today? The answer to that depends upon who you ask - and quite a few do not see the mess at all. I have my theory, but this is not the place.


#5

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:1, topic:235046"]
Why do anything in life?

Society is an abomination that only continues to grow more secular and anti-religious.

marriage is a joke...a flip of the coin if it succeeds or not...and is a meaningless word nowadays

Then you get a career for what?! To be another souless being to feed Uncle Sam until your a rotted old husk...

There was a time that none of the stuff mentioned above bothered me, I'd be willing to let the whole secular world be hell on earth if the Church was at my side, but not even that is reliable...it's just more of something you have to put in faith to believe; with nothing about it that makes it more believable than the atheist or the pagan.

Quite honestly the greatest blessing I could get was my family; it seems in the sea of bitter divorces, adultery, drugs that my biological parents were free from all that. Even their divorce was clean and they keep as close friends. If I had the same **** families that it seems every other person around me have I don't think I'd have very much of anything to live for...

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All I can say that has not already been said... is do not despair. You are obviously struggling right now, but have faith in mankind. We do despicable, ugly things to each other, but still good people abound. Look at those that flock to warn torn countries to offer people first aid kits and blankets... look at the people who buy homeless men meals... look at those that volunteer for the sake of fellow man, without expecting anything in return.

There is goodness all around, it takes some looking to find amidst the rubble. Volunteer your time to those in need, it is a great way to refresh and feel like you are actively doing something to counter all the negative.

Why do anything? Because to not act, is to buy into the bystander effect. Acting means that you have not given up.

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou [art] with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me." Psalm 23:4


#6

Just to add to "themeginthemoon's" comments, If you want to see the basic goodness in people, just listen to stories of people who have lost everything in a fire...People come out of the woodwork with gifts of clothes, toys, small appliances, even cash....
I know because I lost my house some years back - and on Christmas day no less!!

I've seen this same thing repeated over and over on news reports as well.

I'ts easy to look at the large picture (especially as portayed in the media) and dispair, but when one looks at the details more closely - it becomes a lot less clear that everything is wrong. There are many many good individuals trying to do good work, and struggling against the tide.

So - dear Flavius, Do not dispair. You are not alone. We are praying for you. There is still good in the world. You are proof of that for if you were not good, you would not be so distressed.

Rest in Christ and pray. Gather your courage from He who is All, then, when you've recovered, go out and love thy neighbor.

Peace
James


#7

I will keep you in my prayers. I am so sorry that you are in despair. May you find the peace that you desire. God bless you.


#8

We can all see sadness and depravity in the world, but we are called to be light and salt for the world, to share with them the good news of Jesus Christ. It's a tall order, but with His help we can do it.

Don't despair. :hug1: There is also so much good in the world!!

I highly suggest praying the chaplet of Divine Mercy (see the link on my signature if you're not familiar with it). Here is the optional closing prayer:

Eternal God, in whom mercy is endless and the treasury of compassion - inexhaustible, look kindly upon us and increase your mercy in us, that we might not despair nor become despondent, but with great confidence submit ourselves to your holy will, which is love and mercy itself, Amen.


#9

"In the world you have troubles, but take courage! I have overcome the world"

  • Jesus

Brother, a lot of people need you. Please show solidarity with the human race. There is corruption and violence in this world, but as Christians we know these tragedies dont have the last say.
We know that we shall be in the world but not off the world. Do your best, and God will do the rest. Its His job to save the world..
Jesus died for us because something was worth dying for in order to keep it alive.
You are greatly needed in the Kingdom. God knew exactly what He was doing when He formed you.

:)


#10

Another two things The Holy Spirit seems to be reminding me to say to you

  • There is a battle going on about your mind. You choose which vioce to listen to.

  • Jesus talks about the light of the eyes. I think that means that we should see the potential and goodness in the world around us. Even the most depraved, Christ died for them too. He alone saw what was in the hearts of man, and He never gave up on any one of us.

Ps.. spend time with happy people :)


#11

Obviously, you have not had very much in the way of good examples in your life.

I once felt much as you do. I was physically abused as a child, sexually abused by several step-fathers AND by my mother; emotionally abused by everyone except my siblings and i really didn’t see any purpose to life at all.

Then, my mother decided to put me into a boarding school. Not for my sake, just to get rid of me (she had abandoned my brother in Oregon when we moved to California, and she put my older sister into a home as a virtual slave). The cheapest school she could find just happened to be The Albertinum, in Ukiah, California.

I went in Jan 2, 1954, and I was enveloped in love and caring from the first minute there. I spent the 2nd semester of the 4th grade, all that summer, and the first semester of the 5th grade at that school. I went to the ONLY summer camp I ever experienced (owned and operated by that school).

The Dominican Sisters of Mission San Jose operated that school, and they literally saved me as a human being. Unfortunately, I didn’t realize that at the time, and I wanted to go home to my Mother.

Well, I did at Christmas 1954, and I went back to hell. I had a new stepfather, an ex-convict, who was brutal, and who abused me in every way possible. I went to two schools in 2 months, then we went “on vacation” to San Francisco (he was writing bad checks left and right, which paid for the trip). I ended up finishing the 5th grade in Reno, Nevada, having been placed in a boarding house for kids.

I went back to the Albertinum for the entire 6th grade. Once again, I went into an atmosphere of love and caring. At the end of that school year, I went home again (I learned years later that my mother had not paid the tuition for the last 5 months I was there.).

I had no moral examples with any parent, no stability (I went to school in Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico (28 schools in all) and I never finished the 11th grade). I was not allowed to go to church most of the time. I worked, full time all summer (sometimes 2 full time jobs), beginning at the age of 12, and my mother drank up everything I earned.

My mother put me into another Catholic Boarding School for my Freshman year of High School (St. Michael’s in Santa Fe, NM). Once again, she didn’t pay the tuition (my older sister tried to, but she couldn’t afford it) after the first few months. She sent me back there, on a Greyhound bus with a one way ticket (she and my step-father were on the road) for my Sophomore year. When I arrived at the school, they informed me that since my mother hadn’t paid for the last 4 months tuition last year, they could not accept me.

I ended up in San Diego, CA with my older sister and brother supporting me. My sister went to the Principal of University of San Diego High School (Father Cadden, bless his memory), told him of my background and what had happened at St. Michael’s, and he accepted me at the school for $5.00 a month tuition. I didn’t learn about that until MANY years later. Fr. Cadden arranged for me to be baptized at my local parish, and she supported getting me into Minor Seminary.

To make a long story a bit shorter, I went into the Army at the age of 16, spent 10 years on active duty, and got out when my first wife abandoned me and our children (thankfully, I did not marry in the Church).

I came back to my faith, had my daughters baptized, eventually married again, and have had 33 wonderful years of marriage. Thanks to my work in the Army (I was a Neuro-Psychiatric Specialist), my life’s work was set. I had to get at least a Masters Degree in order to do in civilian life what I had been doing in the Army.

I eventually earned my Doctorate. I am very active with my church, and with the Knight’s of Columbus. I enjoy my daughter’s, my grandsons (no granddaughters so far), my friends, and above all my life with my wife.

No matter how bleak things may appear, there can be meaning and joy in your life. If anyone had a horrible beginning, I did. Yet, thanks to some Dominican Nuns, I was exposed to just enough caring, just enough love, to know that it was possible and that this was what I wanted.

To a large degree, your happiness and fulfillment are up to YOU. YOU can choose what paths to take. YOU have control over what you do, and of what you fail to do. NOBODY makes you take any path, you CHOOSE it.

You ALWAYS have the capability of changing course. It may be difficult, you may stumble on the way, but you CAN do it. Prayer helps, so does faith. Even when things were the most horrible as a child, when I had been away from the church for long periods of time, I always hung on to that flicker of faith. Sometimes it was so faint that I could barley find it, but if I looked, it was there.

Do NOT give up. Do not let the negative things in your life control you.

NEVER GIVE UP HOPE, YOU CAN FIND A BETTER LIFE.


#12

I just wanted to say thank you to The Old Medic for his post. I was crying part way through and my respect for you is profound. To have come through such a life and made so much good for yourself and others in this life is inspirational to say the least. Thank you so much for your post. I hope the OP reads and benefits from your post; I know I did! Again; thank you.:thumbsup:


#13

Me too!!!! What a stirring testimony. Old Medic, you gave some very convincing reasons for "Why bother."

Thank you. And God bless you!

:hug3:


#14

[quote="TheRealJuliane, post:13, topic:235046"]
Me too!!!! What a stirring testimony. Old Medic, you gave some very convincing reasons for "Why bother."

Thank you. And God bless you!

:hug3:

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:grouphug: Agreed, completely and totally. I was moved.


#15

thank you to everyone who bothered to respond; however I still can't get out of my head how evil humans are...

Also, I appreciate Old Medic opening himself to say what he said, but all that proves is that even though I have had a good ranging perfect life I still prove to be worthless.

this is about the time when sympathy runs dry in posters...


#16

Just to inform everyone I've read their post...that's all I can say right now without sounding like a bigger worthless tool I already am.


#17

Well, Flavius, I am praying for you. And I don't think you are a "tool." Maybe discouraged, maybe depressed, maybe a bit angry, sad, hurt, etc. but not a "tool."


#18

"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find rest for your selves. For my yoke is easy, and my burden light." --Matthew 11:28-30

Peace of Christ to you, brother,

Mary


#19

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:16, topic:235046"]
Just to inform everyone I've read their post...that's all I can say right now without sounding like a bigger worthless tool I already am.

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Thanks for checking in. Good to know you are still around. I hope the input has been helpful.

Just remember, sometimes God takes us deep into darkness in order to reveal His True Light to us.

If you's like to read what some great saints have said about this, please consider getting the book in my signature....I'm sure you will find it uplifing.

Peace
James


#20

[quote="Flavius_Aetius, post:16, topic:235046"]
Just to inform everyone I've read their post...that's all I can say right now without sounding like a bigger worthless tool I already am.

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Flavius,
I am so sorry for the abuse you are enduring. I hope that you see some light at the end of the tunnel soon, we are all praying for you!

Much love and God Bless,
M


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