[quote="Robertanthony, post:2, topic:289843"]
You have what many, including myself, lack: wisdom, humility and a malleable spirit. I've often wondered about that, too. If, for instance, you're a Catholic nun and you think abortion is a right, contraception is okay, the real presence is not really a "real" presence, then why stay a nun when you could become a female pastor in a denomination that agrees with all your views. As for the gay activists, they want to rally everyone's approval, for some reason they want unanimity and not just a majority, perhaps they don't like to have outside/external voices echoing what their conscience is whispering to them. Perhaps deep down inside people know that they know that they know that the Catholic Church is THE CHurch and that to get an approval from it/her would almost m,ean to get an approval from God. My take.
Livingwordunityand yourself have raised some good points and observations.:thumbsup:
One of the penalties of compromising with our christian life is what St.John of The Cross observed---"the mind is darkened and the will is weakened" hence that saying "none so blind as those that cannot see"!
I suppose the statements just depends on the "target" group that Livingwordunity is labeling as "liberals".I just recently attended a catholic run social action awareness lunch time talk in my city.When introducing the speaker ,the gentleman said that this person regards himself as a "progressive" catholic.I thought at the time that this sort of jargon creates division within The Catholic Church.A sort of "I am for Apollos,I am for Paul"type of statement which St.Paul roundly condemned.Either a person is for Christ or against Christ,for after all Jesus's identity is with The Catholic Church.In his retort to Saul,Jesus replied that "you are persecuting Me"!
I regard The Catholic Church as founded on The Rock of St.Peter;so if a person says that they are catholic,it is a given that this person believes all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches.Those who do not obey the Churches teachings,whether they be doctrinal theological or moral teachings,then they put themselves outside the Church.
In the times past,priests like Father Martin Luther,a catholic Augustinian monk left the Catholic Church and took those with similar views to form Protestant churches.However these times,there are many catholics who have lost their way or ill informed are like you describe;they disobey and protest but still stay as nominal catholics.They have not formally left the Church, but for all intents and purposes are really protestants in their beliefs.
I suppose Christ warned us that "in the last days" there will be this battle from within His Church.The Evil One is always behind the persecution from within and from the secular world.I believe that if satan wins the "gay rights push for"marriage within the laws of any nation;It will mean the end of our catholic right to free speech and the right for catholics to follow their own beliefs within that society.
In the end,it will be persons like yourselves who will be the means to renew The Church in holiness from within.The ideal would be for the disobedient catholics, to have a change of mind & heart and to contemplate the Face of Christ--and not spit & mock it. The means to this end is as Our Lady Of Fatima in 1917 requested ,prayer(-especially The Rosary) & penance(our duties according to the state of life).