Why do Catholics insist on a final judgment over sin?

John 5:24 is clear that the judgment over sin “has passed.” There is no judgment over the penalty of one’s sins. It became a finished work when Jesus said so on the cross. He took our eternal penalty for us. He said,

“As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.”

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How do you read Mt 25 then ?

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Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross opened the gates of Heaven to us.

It doesn’t automatically mean that He reaches through the gates and pulls us in against our will.

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Why do protestants insist on dividing the two Covenants as if the Old can be ignored in light of the New?

As a Jew, what would you be obliged to do when you sin? Wouldn’t you have to bring a sin offering to the Temple? Of course- but would a protestant have us believe that a Jew only had to do this once in their life? I believe that the Old Testament refers to the sin offerings much like Jesus does the Last Supper- to do it often.

And what we as Catholic do is just that. We re-present the one sacrifice of Christ at every Mass because, as a sinful people, we need the sin offering of the New Covenant at all times.

If I were you, I’d be reading up on the early Church councils and the Fathers to find out what they taught versus what protestants today believe.

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So, we can just to sin to our little heart’s content?

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I have known people who would answer an affirmative to that question.

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specifically what is your question?

Frankly, if there is no final judgement (and thus no hell), why not sin as much as I want? Why not indulge in every possible pleasure? The world would become complete chaos but who cares because it feels good and in the end we still have Paradise!

Wrong, what feels good isn’t always good. Sin is very real and so are the consequences of it.

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No. Only that we believe in Him. Isn’t that what Jesus said in Jn. 5:24?

So what is your interpretation of John 5:24 and Jn. 3?

I never said there was no judgment. I said there is no judgment over sin’s penalty.

Are you denying Romans 5:9? 1 Peter 3:18?

Thom18 haven’t you read!.. John the Baptist said, “behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” He was the final sacrifice for every generation. His sacrifice reached in two directions to redeem. It reached into the past for people like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob who expressed faith. It also reached into the future, so that Paul, Peter, John and us, can express faith in what he did. His statement in John 5:24 is true. “… he who hears My word and believes in Him … has everlasting life and shall not come into JUDGMENT, but has PASSED from death to life.” hence the word pass! as in Passover!

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Revelation 20:12-13

If this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.

2 Peter 2:9

I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.

2 Timothy 4:7-8

But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

Matthew 12:36

Matthew 25: 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

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Did you read what he said? He said “re-presentation”. Not “repetition”. At Mass we are present at the very same sacrifice of Christ at Calvary. Not a second or third, but the one and only crucifixion.

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Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God. 1 Corinthians 4:5

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10

I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his Kingdom 2 Timothy 4:1

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Two things are stated in the Rom. 5:9 passage which are very important. Paul said, “… having now been justified by His blood, (past tense) we shall be saved, (future tense) from wrath…” Salvation is found in three tenses: Past, Present, and future: Thus we can see it as

  1. I have been saved in spirit, from the penalty of sin (eternal damnation) = JUSTIFICATION = POSITION IN CHRIST=GIFT
  2. I am being saved in soul=(temporal life) from the power of sin =SANCTIFICATION=CONDITION
  3. I WILL BE saved in body= (literal) from the presence of sin=GLORIFICATION.

You side stepped the issue. Where in Romans 5:9 did it talk about believing in Christ? Where in Romans 5:9 did it hold belief in Christ over His sacrifice at Calvary?

It looks pretty straight forward to me. But I am neither a theologian or a Catholic and I’m not even certain exactly what the issue is you are questioning. I do, however, recognize folks who like to take issue with articles of belief in other denominations in order to find fault and "set them straight". One of the things that has drawn me very powerfully to Catholicism is that I have found very little of that, if any, and that makes a huge difference to someone who spent decades in a very literal and close-minded evangelical denomination. If, however, you are sincere in your question and are simply looking for an accurate answer, then I would suggest you consult the Catechism or with a priest. Public forums are not the greatest sources for academic information.

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The Rom. 5:9 passage doesn’t cover the concept of belief in the way you bring it up. But so what?

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