Why do "Catholics" who do not agree with the Church's teaching, remain in the Church?


#1

This is something I have never understood.

Why do they stay when they could just as easily go to a Protestant Church that allows married priests, women priests, homosexual unions, etc…?

Do they not understand what the Church actually teaches?

Do they think the Church pulled a fast one on them?

I just don’t get it?

Peace


#2

I’ve thought of this often. I’ve come up with the following conclusion:

Almost all religions today have been ravaged by modernism. They change according to our times. Well, since we live in some pretty hedonistic times, some churches have caved in to the pressures of the politically correct left.

Now add to that some Catholics who do not understand their faith as well as they should. (The media would have you believe that it is rampant in the Church, but I don’t believe it for a second.) These Catholics see the other churches changing and say, "why can’t the Catholic Church change its rules on _____________?

Also, I’d like to add a sidenote that there are many people who view religion today as a “nationality.” I was the same way in my post-College days. Even though I rarely went to Mass, I still considered myself Catholic. These types of people also make up a large part of the demographic that the networks try to poll so the results skew in the direction that they wish.


#3

[quote=chadwilliams]I’ve thought of this often. I’ve come up with the following conclusion:

Almost all religions today have been ravaged by modernism. They change according to our times. Well, since we live in some pretty hedonistic times, some churches have caved in to the pressures of the politically correct left.

Now add to that some Catholics who do not understand their faith as well as they should. (The media would have you believe that it is rampant in the Church, but I don’t believe it for a second.) These Catholics see the other churches changing and say, "why can’t the Catholic Church change its rules on _____________?

Also, I’d like to add a sidenote that there are many people who view religion today as a “nationality.” I was the same way in my post-College days. Even though I rarely went to Mass, I still considered myself Catholic. These types of people also make up a large part of the demographic that the networks try to poll so the results skew in the direction that they wish.
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Yeah, the whole demographic thing is right on. I remember on Fox News after the election of Pope Benedict XVI, they had on the author of “The American Catholic Voter” (I can’t rememebr his name). He said you have to seperate the practicing Catholics from the “Catholics” (baptized or go to Mass on Easter and Christmas before dinner).

Modernism is rampant, but there are some out there with the mentality of " if you can’t beat them, join them" and try to poison the Church from within out of Pride. I believe alot of people too want the Church to change so that they don’t have to (sloth in a sense). Thanks and God Bless.


#4

There is already another thread about this that was started by WhiteDove. It’s pretty interesting–search for it!


#5

because of the lack of the humbleness. All changes in Tradition should come from Holy Spirit not from people.

I also wonder why they are still there, in Church.

Maybe Church autorities allowed to develop theese ideas by liberal attitude.

In any case I think that there are Church enemies who are working inside the Church and support the antiCatholical teachings.


#6

[quote=Hieronymus]because of the lack of the humbleness. All changes in Tradition should come from Holy Spirit not from people.

I also wonder why they are still there, in Church.

Maybe Church autorities allowed to develop theese ideas by liberal attitude.

In any case I think that there are Church enemies who are working inside the Church and support the antiCatholical teachings.
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I agree. I believe we have worse enemies inside the church that outside. I’ve heard that our own parish priest said that he “doesn’t go along with all the church teachings”. My stepson said this when went to see the priest to have some questions answered. He will retire soon, thank God.


#7

The thing is that they believe by not agreeing with the Church that it actually gives them a position within the Church. In my Parish it is 99% women and 2 priests who constantly dissent simply because it gives them a feeling of exclusivity and power.

A small group but none the less a thorn. I ask myself what would a rose be without its thorns?

These folks had no desire to see a Corpus Christi procession in our Parish this year and campaigned against it. Now that the PP has given the approval for the procession they are at every meeting trying to take over the jobs that need to be done. He is putting his foot down. One of them announced at the last meeting that this procession was a once off idea since it was the Year of the Eucharist, and would not be happening again.

St Paul has a very good piece of advice for people like this.
**“Audivimus enim inter vos quosdam ambulare inquiete, nihil operantes, sed curiose agentes. 12 Iis autem, qui ejusmodi sunt, denuntiemus, et obsecramus in Domino Jesu Christo, ut cum silentio operantes, suum panem manducent.” **For we have heard there are some among you who walk disorderly, working not at all, but curiously meddling. 12 Now we charge them that are such, and beseech them by the Lord Jesus Christ, that, working with silence, they would eat their own bread.

I feel that somwhere along the line they got a ‘schlap’ (as we say in Ireland) from a Christian Brother or a Nun for not knowing Catechism or something and now feel they have an avenue in disagreeing with the establishment and so take it out inside the Church.

My dear friends, they are our brothers and sisters and they belong in the Chruch even though they disagree with it. We may have a lot to put up with at times, but we have nothing to fear.

God Bless.


#8

Protestantism, Nationalism, Socialism, Liberalism, Communism… all the same.

All of the above are man-made doctrines that attempt to subject both the individual and religion to the state. The state, or the nation, comes above and beyond all other things. Yet, oddly enough, Democracy basically says one can’t trust the state so we must endow power equally into the hands of each individual citizen.

Because there are “liberal” Catholics, there are people in the church who want to be there because they know it is the body of Christ and the true Apostolic church; their faith tells them so. But because they are liberal they want to subject the church to the whims of the state which is democratically run by the people; their reason dictates this.

What they refuse to acknowledge is that Jesus did not establish a democratic fraternal society subject to the changing desires of its members. The Catholic church is the “mystical” body of Christ with Jesus as the head. Jesus is the truth, and the truth never changes; nor has anyone ever been able to show in Scriptures an instance where Jesus changes His mind about something he originally taught and then taught something contrary.

The “deposit of the faith once and for all handed down to the saints,” says it all. We have no right or authority to change fundamental church doctrines, we can only receive them from the previous generation and then hand it down to the next.

Those who argue with the church because it does not conform to their wishes must either conform to the church or leave.

We have had too many Judases already.

Thal59


#9

Yes, I have to admit that I get REALLY mad whenever a Catholic “dogs” the Catholic church in front of our Protestant friends. If someone really hates the teachings of the Catholic church, THEY NEED TO FIND A NEW CHURCH. It is not up to the Catholic Church to change for them. It is up to that person to embrace the teachings of the church or to find a church that is more suitable for their personal morals and choices.

Karen


#10

The People Who Want To Change The Doctrine Of Contraception, Abortion, Homosexaulity , Dont Have The Spirit Of Truth . If They Did They Wouldnt Complain Cause The Holy Spirit Lets You Know Whats The Truth In This Main Issues About Life And Sexaulity. They Have The Spirit Of Falsehood.

Like It Says The Wheat Will Grow With The Chaff , The Lambs With The Wolves.

Just Be Thankful You Have Eyes To See With Brothers And Sisters, And Just Know It Wasnt Because Of Anything You Did But Because Of His Grace That You Can See. Pray For Those Who Cant See That There Understanding May Be Open.

Amen


#11

[quote=dennisknapp]This is something I have never understood.

Why do they stay when they could just as easily go to a Protestant Church that allows married priests, women priests, homosexual unions, etc…?

Do they not understand what the Church actually teaches?

Do they think the Church pulled a fast one on them?

I just don’t get it?

Peace
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I can’t understand that either, just become Episcopalians.


#12

No one is born the perfect catholic/christian, or jew, or mormon, or penecostal, etc,…

you are a work in progress… Apostle Paul believed he was working out his salvation if fear and trembling…

when you sin, that’s not being a good catholic, should you then leave the church…

no, you make like a good hindu, you keep doin the best you kindu…


#13

One Catholic idiot interviewed on the CNN after the election said: “they ram teachings like no abortion and priestly celibacy down our throats!”

Priestly celibacy down his throat? He was standing in St. Peter’s square with his wife.

Hey, the Church is not holding you at gunpoint mate!


#14

[quote=bob]One Catholic idiot interviewed on the CNN after the election said: “they ram teachings like no abortion and priestly celibacy down our throats!”

Priestly celibacy down his throat? He was standing in St. Peter’s square with his wife.

Hey, the Church is not holding you at gunpoint mate!
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Remember, Christ did not come to save the righteous… reconcilliation was his plan… if he can forgive, who are we to hold them bound…?


#15

It would seem to me that those who “speak” about the Church in this way, are not TRUE members of the faith. Remember that there are always “babtist Catholics” out there…


#16

Because that is where satan wants them!

I don’t say this to be mean or nasty. satan wants all the help he can get to deceive as many as he can. What better way then from the inside.


#17

i’m just not sure that casting stones is the answer…

even St Augustine and a large part of all holy men and women spoke againt the church before their committment to the faith…

i think we just have to give people the opportunity to continue along a path with us, and hope and trust in God’s plan…

remember, you and I wouldn’t have to look to far in our own history to find a less than glorious catholic example…

at least i’m guilty…


#18

[quote=LoneRanger]i’m just not sure that casting stones is the answer…
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remember…

1 Peter 2:22-25 NAB

[22] “He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth”
[23] When He was insulted, He returned to insult; when He suffered, He did not threaten; instead, He handed Himself over to the one who judges justly.

[24] He himself bore our sins in His body upon the cross, so that, free from sin, we might live for righteousness. By His wounds you have been healed.

[25] For you had gone astray like sheep, but you have now returned to the Shepherd and Guardian of your souls.

See, I payed attention in Mass last week! :smiley:


#19

i’m just not sure that casting stones is the answer…


Oh come now, how is that any fun???!!! I mean if you can’t criticize Cafeteria Catholics or Protestants what can you do??? :smiley:


#20

[quote=LoneRanger]Remember, Christ did not come to save the righteous… reconcilliation was his plan… if he can forgive, who are we to hold them bound…?
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Christ came to forgive the penitent. That gentleman in St. Peter’s square rallying against the Church did not look like one…


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