Why do Christians reject the testimony of Alien Abduction victims?

Why don’t we accept claims of alien abduction?

Here is a testimony. Are these people lying?

The Allagash Abductions - An OpenMinds.tv Documentary

youtube.com/watch?v=10PL0o8ZJHI

Guess you would be familiar with Ezekiel’s vision.

Who is this “we” and which claims by who are we talking about?

I may or may not reject someone’s claim of alien abduction; it has nothing to do with me being a Christian or a Catholic though.

Well while you might not fit the criteria i do find that some Christians (given my experience) are more willing to accept or have faith in testimonies of a religious nature but are not so willingly to accept testimonies regarding alien abduction. Alien abduction i find to be ridiculed and faced with skepticism by both Christians and Atheists.

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It could be the evil one trying to distract us.

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Originally Posted by Tis Bearself View Post
I may or may not reject someone’s claim of alien abduction; it has nothing to do with me being a Christian or a Catholic though.

I have yet to read/hear any alien abduction account that can be backed up with ***peer-reviewed scientific investigation ***- and that is a big issue for anyone that might want to believe such accounts; however, for me as a scientist, the biggest reason for discounting alien abduction stories is the sheer lack of any scientifically provable evidence to back up the claim. (( frankly, climate change has more proof than alien abduction)

I don’t think an alien abduction event would yield any scientific evidence, at least not the kind of evidence that can be measured and used to make an inference. We are of course talking about beings that must be way more advanced technologically then we are. What evidence can one expect?

Which only leaves us the testimonies of the alleged abductees. Surely they can’t all be lying. Especially in cases where there is more then one witness and they have willingly taken Lie detector tests. The Travis Walton case is a case in point.

Alien abduction and alien contact claims are simply layers and layers of smoke screen.

I’ve studied the UFO phenomenon for a long time. The methodology used to conduct investigations range from denial to using methods like hypnosis. I have publications dating back to the late 1940s when sightings were increasing. In any case, the best book on the subject cannot say anything more than those claiming to have been abducted experienced something. The author refers to these people as “experiencers.” There are many possible explanations for these claims including fraud and outright hoaxes to lucid dreaming.

No religious affiliation is required to study the reports. The latest totally fake layer to be added to the trash pile is demonic activity. Some of these people may have been victims but if so, it had nothing to do with aliens. There is zero evidence for aliens.

The Travis Walton case was never studied in depth. It consists of claims that cannot be proven.

Ed

You mean scientifically proven, and yet we still have their testimonies and we can still consider whether they are lying or not.

There are plenty of hoaxes regarding miracles, but that doesn’t mean that all testimonies should be ignored.

As for lucid dreaming, that can work as an explanation when you are dealing with one contactee. But when there is more than one witness and there is no evidence that they are lying i think at the very least the claim should be taken a bit more seriously.

Are all your questions serious? What is it you are truly struggling with?

This is precisely what i mean. Why must i be struggling with something just because the thread is about alien abduction?

Christians don’t “accept” these claims?
ALL Christians?

Actually, that’s not true. I know a Christian who accepts them.

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The topics of your threads. All threads. You are Catholic, right?

Whats that suppose to mean?

If so many alien abductees report getting probes stuck up their cough,cough why are there no traces of it on any doctor’s exams? There was a recent SNL skit (the funniest 45-era, non-political SNL skit) about this very thing.

I ask this as someone who owns all of Whitley Streiber’s books, including “Communion,” and listens to Coast to Coast AM on a fairly regular basis via CCrane recorded.

Being Christian and believing abductees…not mutually exclusive.

Since the 1940s, there have been millions of witnesses to UFOs, but everyone from the local Police to the US Air Force, FBI, CIA and so on, have ignored or debunked all claims. All claims by the public. Special reporting procedures were, however, put in place. Any sighting of an unconventional object in the air, on the ground or in the water was sorted and reported. The sorting method involved other ground observers and any other assets required. An unidentified aerial track/object had to be correlated with a flight plan or by other means. It was a bit more difficult with possible ground threats, but if a UFO descended and was involved in the abduction of a person, that would fall under National Security.

Books written by and about Contactees and Abductees are in my library. Close examination shows them to be pure gibberish and hoaxes. So, did they blow up our cities? Fire ray weapons at citizens in cities? No, of course not. And if they wanted human specimens for study, a few dozen would have done the job. But no, as time passed, the whole UFO story officially ended in 1968 with The Condon Report. Named after project director, Edward Condon, the USAF paid for the last word from the Condon Committee at the University of Colorado about UFOs to lay to rest all the reports, all the sightings, all the claims. And to officially exit the UFO business.

The report, at over 1,000 pages, was published in January 1969 under the title, Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects. Their conclusion? “Our general conclusion is that nothing has come from the study of UFOs in the past 21 years that has added to scientific knowledge. Careful consideration of the record as it is available to us leads us to conclude that further extensive study of UFOs probably cannot be justified in the expectation that science will be advanced thereby.”

So, it’s nothing. Officially. I have the paperback version at 965 pages. A reading of the book along with examining the photos included, shows a massive whitewash. Only a handful of books during my long period of study have provided credible explanations as to what the UFOs are.

I would strongly advise against studying alien abduction claims directly. Aside from one person who claimed to have the required knowledge, even he could not come to any definite conclusion. And scientists from other fields have stayed away from publishing about UFO reports and what they are since the 1970s. The early reports were handed on and whatever was published was ignored. The general public is totally in the dark. And why should it matter? To the average person, life is complex or challenging enough without even thinking that anybody being abducted by aliens actually happens.

Ed

So…the Travis Walton case has been debunked? I don’t think its correct to say all claims regarding alien abduction has been debunked. Its more consistent to say that there is no scientific evidence. Sure a lot of supposed ufo sightings have been shown to be something else. Sure there are a lot of ad-hoc rationalizations to explain experiences that can’t be easily ignored. But there a lot of cases that haven’t been debunked and there has been case’s with credible witness’s and testimonies.

As for the claim of why should people care? I guess you don’t really have to and i imagine some people would prefer it if such things were not real.

So, what do you propose be done?

Ed

-+ Many abduction stories contain some sort of surgery, yet, no evidence of any surgical procedure has ever been found - even in cases where the individual claims that organs were removed, yet, upon examination, the organs are still in the body where they are supposed to be located.

-+ Many abduction stories contain that some sort of device was implanted; however, no evidence of any such device has ever been found, by CAT, MRI, X-Ray, sonogram, etc… nor has any radio or other magnetic transponder signal ever been detected - even when the subject has been placed within a faraday-cage to isolate any such signal from back ground interferences

in the two above cases, could there be a surgical technique so advanced that we may not be able to detect some sort of deviation in the human body, the possibly is certainly there; however, the probability with today’s modern medicine would be very low :shrug:

As for not being able to detect some sort of transponder signal from an implant, really? We can pick up and discern signals that have literally traveled billions of light years with energies so small that the biochemical reactions in the average human body create more electro-magnetic energy. In fact, I have an instrument in my lab that uses pico-voltage in the detector (0.000000000001 Volt) and that is still considered to be a huge energy when compared to radio-telescope detection! Once again, possibility, sure I’ll let you have that, probability, no, I will not concede that point as this probability is so small that it is essentially zero.

-+ Lie detectors have been found to be un-reliable, so much so, that under US federal law usually precludes there use in any court of law and many psychologist completely debunk their use for most, if not all, reasons (this article for example (emphasis is mine):

American Psychological Association
(Home// Psychological Science// Research in Action// The Truth About Lie Detectors…(link))
The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests)
Most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.
(…)The accuracy (i.e., validity) of polygraph testing has long been controversial. An underlying problem is theoretical: There is no evidence that any pattern of physiological reactions is unique to deception. An honest person may be nervous when answering truthfully and a dishonest person may be non-anxious. Also, there are few good studies that validate the ability of polygraph procedures to detect deception. As Dr. Saxe and Israeli psychologist Gershon Ben-Shahar (1999) note, “it may, in fact, be impossible to conduct a proper validity study.” In real-world situations, it’s very difficult to know what the truth is.

A particular problem is that polygraph **research has not separated placebo-like effects **(the subject’s belief in the efficacy of the procedure) from the actual relationship between deception and their physiological responses. One reason that polygraph tests may appear to be accurate is that subjects who believe that the test works and that they can be detected may confess or will be very anxious when questioned. If this view is correct, the lie detector might be better called a fear detector.(…)

as for multiple witnesses, again, even multiple eyewitness testimony has been found to be un-reliable
Scientific America: Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts
(I’ll only link to the article here, after reading it, I feel that to pull anything out of context would do the article a dis-service: scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/)
They may really believe what they are saying is true, yet, the idea may have been suggested and grown in their mind.

Therefor, I hold many, if not most, abduction stories to be suspect, not because of my Catholic Faith (indeed, because of my Catholic Faith and my scientific background I hold the position that there is other intelligent life out there - somewhere) but because of my scientific background and understanding of how Chemistry, Physics, and Mathematics works within our universe. - I venture to say that many of the other doubters are in agreement, even if they do not understand the foundation they are using to disbelieve the abduction stories, not because of faith, instead, because of science.

(I hope that reads well, too many distractions tonight! :smiley: )

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