[quote="St_Francis, post:17, topic:237686"]
What about the souls of those they lead astray?
Do you believe the Holy Spirit leads us?
I only have one problem, that is so many Catholics mix secular, politics, with spiritual, that which is Holy. We have to agree with certain ones totally, or we are 'liberal', 'cafeteria', or worse. Where does scriptures teach us we should legislate morality? Christ did not do it, nor did the Apostles. They worked on changing, converting, the hearts and minds.
Now, the few who demand to be agreed with totally, seem to overlook the teaching of the Church on forming a faith based conscience and forbidding anyone to force someone to act against that faith based conscience.
This neither states a support, or adversity, to any of the specific issues being discussed when referring to brothers and sisters as 'liberals' or 'cafeteria'. It questions the interpretation of scriptures, and Church documents, that gives support to a 'political' view. It seems to me, that if interpretation of scriptures/Church documents specifically agreed with those who consider themselves 'conservative', the authoritative men of the Church, including our Pope, would clearly speak with a unified voice. Take the last election for example. Why did the Pope not clearly state which candidate should be supported by voting for them? Why did we find Bishops split, ignoring how many were on either side of the argument? Where was the 'unity' being espoused in these '...should 'they' stay in the Church" discussions?
Look at the Church's teachings on the death penalty. Some interpret it as support and others see it as against. Which is truth?
We have Catholics calling for the excommunication of certain politicians, yet the one that sits on the seat of Peter does not clearly affirm that call. Why?
The Bible teaches for us to 'obey our prelates'. That includes all in the 'chain of command'.
I'm not faulting the Pope, I believe he has his reasons and it doesn't support a single view, or forcing others to go against a faith based conscience, or trying to force people from the Church.
None of us, especially laypersons, knows the complete fullness of His truth. We learn every minute, with every breath, and then we don't know it all...in this world. To infer that some need to leave the Church seems to say, 'we know it all and are holier than you, get out you are not and never will be worthy.' There is only one judge and He will judge us all.