Why do we allow this fake Chirstmas?

We all know what Christmas is really about. However, why do we allow ourselves to celebrate this fake Christmas?

I really hate the whole Santa thing. Santa is a corruption of the Real St. Nick. The idea of Santa, is turning one of our saints into a false god who is a wizard. We are teaching kids that magic is good, and that Santa watches over them like a god. We’re basically causing kids to break the first commandment, think the occult is fun, and to value earthly treasure.

“Santa is watching. So be good, or you wont get presents.” Does anyone not see the flaw in this? How about being good because God wants us to? Also why are we bribing kids with earthly treasure? I’m not against gift giving. Just the fact that it is the focus. (and done by a wizard version of a Saint. Shouldn’t we be offended by that? )

I don’t buy the whole “Santa is fun for the kids” What’s fun about taking the focus away from God? Santa gets in the way of Jesus, therefore there is no way to justify it as not breaking the first commandment. Also, why can’t God be fun? To a kid, he will be more drawn towards the magical happiness and toys, and flying reindeer, blah blah. It’s really fantastical. A virgin birth isn’t as impressive to a kid (1 because they don’t really know what that means, and 2 because they might not understand the idea that Jesus is God, let alone know who God is) We should devote all this energy towards teaching kids about Jesus correctly, and making it exciting instead of this nonsense.

Another problem with this, is that kids are taught this fake version of St. Nick. How many kids know the true story of him? Not many adults do either. Santa is an insult to him! If I became a saint, I would be offended if people turned me into a necromancer that lives in a volcano, and celebrated this instead of Ash Wednesday.

I think we should ditch the whole Santa thing,(and Easter Bunny) and make Christmas about The birth of God

I just don’t see what’s acceptable about this.

Why does it have to be an either/or sort of thing?

My kids understand that we’re celebrating the birth of Jesus. They know that He is God. Even the little ones know that he was born of the Virgin Mary. And yes - it’s a big deal.

They also think that Santa is coming in two nights. So what? It’s harmless childhood fun. Visions of sugarplums dancing in their little heads does not take away from Jesus in the least - any more than the delicious meal, the Christmas cookies, the twinkling lights or the Christmas Tree take away from Jesus.

There are several of these threads on the forum and I’m going to finally ask you a question that’s been bugging me … assuming you are Catholic - IF the Santa thing were as awful as you’d have me believe, WHY doesn’t the Church say so? Isn’t the Church our authority?

If you don’t like it then don’t celebrate it like that. You’re going way overboard saying Santa Claus is a wizard and occult.

I don’t see that as going overboard. Santa seems very wizard like to me.

I am Catholic, That’s why I’m asking why this is allowed. It never made sense to me. As I started getting more into my faith (I’m 23 atm) and starting to see all the secularism going on with Christmas putting the focus on commercialism, and away from Jesus. I started asking myself about the Santa thing.

I don’t see that as going overboard. Santa seems very wizard like to me.

For Chesterton, the idea of Santa brought him closer to God

besidesthebible.com/2010/12/g-k-chesterton-on-santa-claus/

Santa is portrayed in popular media more often as some kind of jolly elf rather than a saintly human. I find Santa, as opposed to St. Nicholas, as disturbing, and even more so as his character is used to promote seasonal dependence on consumerism.

You have to keep in mind, though, that many people out there grew up with a culturally ingrained affection for Santa, and old habits die hard.

When I have children, I will not take them to sit on Santa’s lap, and I will not allow any image of him in our house. December 6th will be about St. Nicholas, and Christmas will be about the Nativity of Jesus. I would also limit gifts to three per child. To each, his own.

A false God who is a wizard? What are you talking about? Santa is a perfectly reasonable tradition for reasonable people. It doesn’t distract people from Christ if the people in question have given any effort whatsoever to having Jesus in their lives throughout the year. Devout Catholics put Jesus in all aspects of their family life and will teach their children about St. Nicholas. Non-believers won’t. The existance of Santa Claus isn’t going to change either situation. I don’t get your point.

As a non-Christian, I see your point. But how do you feel about Christmas trees, extravagant and costly home lighting decorations, and materialistic gift-giving? Besides, Santa is not fake; he’s REAL! Just watch the film “Miracle on 34th Street” if you don’t believe me.

My grandfather was a third order franciscan, a WWII hero, a rosary maker and a Santa Claus.

I never saw him happier than when he was spreading the joy of Christmas as one of Santa’s helpers. Even after he was moved into the nursing home, he was still allowed to dress as Santa and visit the other residents. It was beautiful to see him bring Christmas to so many people. He even asked his wife if he could be buried in his Santa suit. He didn’t get that wish because of the scandal it would have caused with my younger cousins but his Santa headshot was used in his obituary picture. :slight_smile:

Now, my uncle has taken up the Santa hat and is continuing the tradition.

Santa brings me joy and connects me to people I love.

I think the issue is that with Christmas, there is the real portion, and the fake portion. Kids are told both. I don’t have a problem with stories, and fantasy, but I think it’s wrong to lie to your kids, and mix fantasy with with reality (especially when it comes to our salvation) This confuses kids. Then when they find out their parents lied to them, how can they trust their parents anymore? Maybe they were lying about Jesus as well.

I think it does get in the way, because unlike sharing a meal, or giving gifts, those are something that can be done with love for one another. So I think those are great! But Santa is just fantasy, and a character. So kids are thinking about 2 characters. They worry about their behavior not out of fear of missing out on Heaven, but out of fear of Santa not giving them presents.

And like I said about changing the true character of St. Nicholas.

Children need concrete stories to help them understand abstract concepts. Santa Claus is a story about generosity. As they grow up, children gradually come to the realization that they are Santa Claus - when they give to the poor at Christmas, and when they purchase gifts for their younger siblings to surprise them at Christmas time.

Over time they understand that the Santa Claus story isn’t really true - but that it conveys a truth - that it is better to give than it is to receive - that the look on someone’s face when they see what “Santa” brought them is even more heartwarming than receiving what they asked for from “Santa” when they were younger. They carry that lesson with them into adulthood, and becomes part of them - giving to those in need becomes second nature to them, to the point where they can’t imagine not doing so. It’s the same thing that gives rise to Red Cross societies, First Aid guilds, and philanthropic organizations. This is a thoroughly Christian concept - other cultures don’t have these things.

You make a great point there about a lesson in generosity. But, Why not share the real story of St. Nicholas?

I would also argue that most kids care mostly about getting presents than giving presents. All my friends and I mostly cared about getting when we were kids. And even now, when I talk to kids, I don’t often hear about what they are getting someone else (Yes I understand that kids can’t really buy things, but they usually would put their name on the gift while the other parent actually bought it. Or they can make a present themselves).

Also, I when I was a kid I was more intrigued with the whole magical aspect of it. I thought there really were flying reindeer! Another race similar to humans called Elves. And that Santa literally brought presents to every christian house in 1 night. How does that fit in a sleigh? I was asking myself all kinds of logic questions. I got really confused when it came to physics, and reality. We should teach our kids the truth about physics, and animals. Deers don’t fly! Then when I found out it was all fake, I couldn’t trust my parents anymore.

I’m not making this stuff up. I am a case where the kid cared more about Santa than Jesus( even though I didn’t want to admit it when I was younger) If this happened to me, surely this happens to other kids as well.

Commercialism and materialism point away from Christ.

Santa done right points to Christ.:thumbsup:

Santa is real…he is coming to my house in 2 sleeps…

I know it - he hides some of his toys at our place. (That’s how they all fit in the sleigh - he stores them at various stops along the way, including our house - on Christmas Eve, he takes presents out of our house and brings them to all the good little boys and girls in our neighborhood.) :wink:

I’ve seen a couple other posts along this line, and I don’t think anyone’s changing their position on Santa. I don’t see the harm, but I grew up with the Santa story and think of it as a positive experience. It was fun writing him letters, and making cookies to leave out, and waking up early Christmas morning with my sister (and later with more siblings) to see what he’d left for us. I held onto that belief for as long as I could, and wasn’t terribly disappointed to learn that my dad was, in fact, Mr. Claus (and the tooth fairy, and the Easter bunny… he’s a man of many talents :D).

As for kids not knowing about the actual St. Nick, that’s all up to the people teaching those kids. I remember learning a bit about him as a child, and I grew up protestant.

Of course, my parents made sure all us kids knew why we celebrate Christmas. We’d come up with things to do as a present for Jesus, and my mom would have us sing “Happy Birthday” to Him on Christmas Day, and we heard the Nativity story every year.

So while the whole Santa myth is totally optional for Christmas, I really don’t think it’s the terribly awful thing some of y’all make it out to be. If that’s your opinion, then celebrate accordingly. I’m going to hang my stocking same as every year, and hope I made the nice list again.

I grew up with Santa, and it was a positive experience. We did Santa with our kids, but didn’t go “all out” with it.

To me, the idea of some supreme arbitrator, who is not a god but is watching my every move to determine which of two labels I will wear on “gift night.” Naughty … or nice. No chance it is a mixture of the two. What does Santa do then? And where does mercy come into play here, anyway? Would Jesus give a kid a lump of coal in December for something the kid did wrong in February? I thought God forgave and forgot our sins – you know like putting them as far from us as the east is from the west, and all that?

So yeah, I’ve had problems with the Santa thing all along, ever since I was young enough to second-guess Santa’s existence. Once my mom told me that my older brother had “figured out” the Santa thing, and wanted to know why he couldn’t tell me. Mom said she told him, “as long as Alan believes in Santa, Santa will continue to come to this house. Once he doesn’t, Santa will not.” My brother never breathed a word of it to me.

Alan

Same reason I guess some of us read fiction. I seldom do, except short articles, although I don’t mind fiction TV and movies.

I really hate the whole Santa thing. Santa is a corruption of the Real St. Nick. The idea of Santa, is turning one of our saints into a false god who is a wizard. We are teaching kids that magic is good, and that Santa watches over them like a god. We’re basically causing kids to break the first commandment, think the occult is fun, and to value earthly treasure.

Exactly. Santa, though, unlike God, bears grudges for up to an entire year without regard to mercy (is Santa merciful or is he “just”) and keeps score of wrongs. We know from 1 Cor that love does not keep score of transgressions.

And you are right; only a fairy tale Santa can get all this done in one night without breaking enough laws of physics the earth wouldn’t likely outlive a single Christmas celebration. You know what happened last time they “broke” the law of physics by pulling stunts much more conventional than Santa does? The atomic bomb.

“Santa is watching. So be good, or you wont get presents.” Does anyone not see the flaw in this? How about being good because God wants us to? Also why are we bribing kids with earthly treasure? I’m not against gift giving. Just the fact that it is the focus. (and done by a wizard version of a Saint. Shouldn’t we be offended by that? )

We bribe kids with earthly treasure and coal as punishment, to foreshadow what we tell them about God. We tell them that God is All About sending us to hell if we do these very bad things that they are not smart enough to even know for sure if we’ve done them. If we snap in line and be good little boys and girls, we’ll go to heaven. That’s behavior modification. Jesus came to bring us into His kingdom by adopting His way of life and (be)attitudes. Born of the Spirit and all. Nothing to do with some cheap behavior contest to see if Joey gets a wagon and I don’t, then why was Santa nicer to him?

A virgin birth isn’t as impressive to a kid (1 because they don’t really know what that means, and 2 because they might not understand the idea that Jesus is God, let alone know who God is) We should devote all this energy towards teaching kids about Jesus correctly, and making it exciting instead of this nonsense.

Actually you have a point and you know what? I think we make too big a deal about the virgin birth, to kids, at too young an age anyway. If we just show them the Jesus Who loves them by loving them our very best, and by teaching them what Jesus wants us to know and showing them how to be loving and merciful, we have plenty to talk about. Frankly I don’t know if the apostles and early popes were even aware of the virgin birth; after all the gospels were not written until long after the fact. I certainly don’t remember Jesus ever bringing it up in conversation. Honestly I think it’d odd, if we are “friends” of Jesus, to dwell on where he came from – maybe that’s my diversity training coming through, though.

Another problem with this, is that kids are taught this fake version of St. Nick. How many kids know the true story of him? Not many adults do either. Santa is an insult to him! If I became a saint, I would be offended if people turned me into a necromancer that lives in a volcano, and celebrated this instead of Ash Wednesday.

If I became a saint, I would be concerned in general that people focus too much on me and not God. John Paul II wanted his personal papers burned but nooo. We can’t honor him that wish because legally dead people have no privacy and we need them to determine if JPII was naughty or nice enough to be a saint. JPII should have burned them while he was still alive and had control of them. I guess he decided to trust others – or maybe secretly he didn’t want them destroyed? Hmmmm…

Rich Mullins, the Christian singer/songwriter who wrote Awesome God, said it bothered him that people knew the words to his songs but not the words of the Bible.

I think we should ditch the whole Santa thing,(and Easter Bunny) and make Christmas about The birth of God

I just don’t see what’s acceptable about this.

I accept it because I cannot change it. That’s why it’s acceptable to me. I have to make the decision about my own kids, and about to what degree I’ll let others “have their fun” without trying to stop them. I teach my kids everything – both my own points of view on things and my opponents’ points of view, so they may understand not only that there are different ways of looking at things, why I make the decisions I do. That is my way of helping them make their own decisions about how to handle tricky situations once they are out on their own.

Alan

So whose holiday are you complaining and not liking? If you are catholic and wish to focus your family on Christ’s birth then please feel free to do so. St Nicholas is an amazing saint, who has lessons to teach us. While he is a mere commercialized shadow of himself in the secular world, it is up to you as the parent and steward of God’s teachings to rear your child and hold your family’s four weeks of advent or in their 4 weeks of epiphany in the proper light. I am happy to let my child see Santa and she is marveled when I reveal to her that St Nick was real, that he performed miracles and he is part of the Catholic Church, the same with St Patrick, and St Valentine. There is no confusion to my daughter as she knows that all secular things are done for the purpose of obtaining our wealth and making it the wealth of the companies who abound us in life. I guess those companies that hire Santa’s are merely being good stewards for their owners and stock holders, as we must be good stewards for our families upbringing in christ.

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