Why doesn't God just destroy the devil?

I don't understand this. If God is all powerful and good, why doesn't he just destroy the devil? If the devil is the source of evil, and God lets the devil exist, isn't God supporting evil? It is as if by allowing the devil to exist, the devil is just another part of God. Does this make sense to you guys? What is the reasoning behind God not destroying the devil?

It's a good question.

If the devil were destroyed, would people still choose to sin? Yes. People choose freely--the devil doesn't make them do it. He certainly tempts, but temptation is no sin. Jesus was tempted but refused to listen to the temptation.

So. . .if the devil were 'destroyed' we'd have God taking one of His creations (because the devil was originally an angel), and annihilating him for making the 'wrong' decision. IOW, punishing him with non-existence for the wrong choice.

Is non-existence better than existence, even an existence that we find horrible (but which the devil, for all his spiritual agony, finds some sort of satisfaction in?) I don't think so. . .of course, we don't know the whole picture.

Somebody once told me that inventions and things which bettered society all came out because of 'evil' or dissatisfaction. If one is content, one is stagnating. One may be doing 'all right', but one isn't doing 'better'. . .and one could. If one is not content, one DOES make the effort to do better. . .

Food for thought?

Depends on how you look at it.

I beleive one day Jesus will return and all sin and evil will be completely abolished. Why he doesn’t do it right now? I don’t know. I trust that he has a good reason though.

Another thought is that God created angels to me immortal. So satan simply can’t be killed by design.

Anyone else have a theory?

Also, why would God send people to hell unless he was in cahoots with the devil? Do you know what I mean?

OK, well even if satan cannot be killed (God is all powerful and can do whatever he wants really so I don’t think this is true), couldn’t God just contain him and make sure he has no interaction with humans and doesn’t have hell? As I said before, if hell exists, then God reigns there too. I mean God is omniscient and is everywhere, so God would be in even hell, right?

If God sends people to hell, then he is working with the devil. You might as well call the devil another part of God.

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Also, why would God send people to hell unless he was in cahoots with the devil? Do you know what I mean?

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This may seem like a fine point but it is an important distinction. God does not send people to hell, they choose it over him. He allows them their free will. If we did not have free will we would be incapable of love.

Also, the devil is not the source of evil, actually. He’s certainly one of its chief supporters, but he was created good. . .so he can’t be the source. He embraced it.

Evil, someone once said, is 'spoiled good. Evil can’t exist on its own. You can’t imagine, for example, any evil which isn’t a spoiled good. As I said before, if you ‘locked up the devil’. . .evil would still exist.

I do not think that in this world good can exist independently of evil. It will, of course, do so at the end of the world (perhaps a reason the world has to end) and while we cannot see its purpose, God must have a purpose. It must have been important enough to create creatures who could choose freely that the fact that once you had the choice, evil came in as a spoiled good, that the free choice was more important than a chance that evil would get chosen at times.

No one is at the gates of heaven and say “you know what, I think hell is a better fit for me actually.” God doesn’t allow them into heaven (according to the church), thus sending them to hell. You could make the argument that by doing bad things someone “chooses” hell, but given the choice between heaven or hell, no one would choose hell. So really they didn’t choose, God did. That is like saying people in prison chose to go to prison. No, I can assure you that many people would have rather not gone to jail. So they didn’t chose to go to jail, they just chose to do the thing that sent them to jail.

And there is one fatal flaw about that analogy…people that are breaking the law enough to go to jail almost always know that what they are doing could make them go to jail. Many people that are sent to hell (according to the church) don’t even believe in God and don’t know the (supposed) actions to their consequences.

Well I think that free will is the source of evil really. So let me just set some things straight. If the devil does exist, and God contained him, there would still be evil. I agree with that. But why does God send people to the devil?

=06convert-Depends on how you look at it.

I beleive one day Jesus will return and all sin and evil will be completely abolished. Why he doesn't do it right now? I don't know. I trust that he has a good reason though.

Another thought is that God created angels to me immortal. So satan simply can't be killed by design.

Anyone else have a theory?


We know that “That God is in charge.” In fact everything that happens in our lives is either Caused by God, or Permitted by God for our possible sanctification and HIS Glorification. No matter how seemingly insignificant it is.

So the answer lies in the Divine Nature of God, and how God choose to Create us in His Very Nature. The difference being that God is Perfect, and we are very-imperfect. That too is God’s plan.

Gen. 1: 26 *“Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”

How are we “like God?” We are like God who is “Spirit” in that God gifts each of us with a mind, a intellect, a freewill and a soul, which are all “Spiritual Things” and cannot come from our parents.

Further, humanity alone on earth are so gifted. Why is this?

Because these gifts are so precious in the Will of God that they are given with a very precise use in mind, which He tells us through His Divinely Inspired Words, in the Bible. This can be summed up as “Do good and avoid evil.” Psalm 34: 14 "Depart from evil, and do good;"

Romans 14: 11 “for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God."

Isaiah 43: 7 “every one who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made." V. 21 the people whom I formed for myself that they might declare my praise.”

So why Satan? Because God gives us these Spiritual Gifts, He desires that we FREELY choose to prove our love for Him. So God gives us at the same time Satanic temptations towards evil, and an understanding of “good,” allowing us to freely choose, either the Good or the evil. It is our choice, our decision, and God provides sufficient grace for us to “choose the good” but also allows us to too say NO TO GOD and chose evil.

Evil exist so God who constantly is asking us: “How much do you love me?” and we can freely choose to say to God: “God I love you this much!” And then prove it by our choice.

Love and prayers,

Pat**

I hear all this talk about God sending poeple to hell, and it distresses me a little. It sounds to me like you are making God out as this monster that does what ever he pleases, and doesn’t care about how he does it. That to me is very wrong. God sent his only Son to reveal to us things about heaven, and to accually show us himself. In Jesus we see God. God could choose to make us love him by not letting us sin, however He wants us to have free will. One time when I was a young boy, this one kid was trying to make me like him, and even went as far as holding me under water to make me say that I would like him. I finally told him that I would like him just to get him off my back, then I just avoided him because I was afraid of him. Now what this guy was doing was taking away my free will. Did I like him. Not a chance. I was afraid of him. Now do you want God to do that. Offcouse not. God made us inteligent humanbeings so we could choose weather we want to do His will or not. By distroying the devil He would not be any better then all of the tyrants through history that would try to distroy anyone that wouldn’t do what they wanted. I am going on longer then maybe I should, so the last thing I have to say is that God does not send poeple to hell, poeple, by not following thier consiunce that God gave them, are sending them selves to hell.

God doesn’t send people to Hell, people do that themselves. God simply allows them to experience the consequences of their actions.

It’s called Free Will. We may choose Right or Wrong. Each has certain consequences.

You keep saying “according to the church”. However your statements are not accurate. You would do better saying “according to what I think the Church is saying”

According to the Church - In order for a sin to be a mortal sin 3 conditions must be met 1. it must be a grave matter, 2. the person must know that it is a mortal sin and 3. the person must knowingly consent to the commit that sin.

This is how an individual chooses against God and for hell. Hell is being permanently disconnected from God.

Nobody goes to hell unknowingly, and nobody goes to hell unwillingly. That is part of the real tragedy of hell --that there was always a chance and always a choice for the person, right up to the moment of death, where he or she could say “yes” to God instead of "No, I will not obey you, I wish to be god myself’.

I think you mistakenly think that God is out there just kind of mindlessly recording ‘rule breaking’ and that even if little Jimmy didn’t know that he did something wrong, if it’s ‘against the rules’ little Jimmy is a goner.

God is JUST. People forget that. They tend to think either that He is a cosmic marshmallow who will ultimately just get everybody thrown into heaven for a group hug, or they’ll go completely in a 180 and think that he is some kind of soulless monster who has a million esoteric rules and if you break one–even unknowingly–you’re doomed.

A JUST God would not only know that a person sinned, he would also know if the person knew that it was a sin. And mercy would say, “Even if the action was wrong, there was no knowledge”. . .therefore, no ‘mortal’ sin, therefore forgiveness.

If you commit a mortal sin do you automatically go to hell? Anyway, by those standards, atheists are not committing mortal sin because they do not know what they are doing is wrong. If you don’t believe that God exists, then how could you know that it is wrong to believe that?

People aren’t choosing hell, just as prisoners don’t choose religion. Judges and juries send people to jail, not the prisoner themselves.

If you commit an unrepented mortal sin at the time of your death, then you have chosen hell. If at any time in your life you repent and confess your sin, you will be forgiven.

Wait, you are making a fatal leap here. You are totally discounting the actions of the 'prisoners'.

They aren't being sent to jail arbitrarily. If you go out and mug a little old lady, you'll get caught and you'll do time. Of course, you may have a good lawyer and he might point out that you weren't really in control of yourself at the time, or she reminded you of your vicious teacher so really you were having PTSD, etc. and you'll wind up with a reduced sentence or even probation.

God is a judge but. . .He is a heavenly judge. Our earthly judicial systems aren't perfectly just. So you can't really say that because things might not be perfect here that God's justice isn't just.

And that mugger had the choice to stop his mugging, so yes, in a sense, he did send himself to jail, you know?

Of course, you're 23 and you still have high ideals, bless you. But here's the thing. . .even now, I'm sure you've had a few friends who have made some bad choices, maybe even some criminal choices. You might love these friends; they might be 'good people' inside, but no matter how you try to excuse some of their poor choices, when it comes right down to it, after you've stopped blaming their parents, the economy, society and every evil it has fostered, and the situation. . . you are left with the fact that your friend, even with all the 'excuses' still had the power to 'not' do whatever wrong he did. You might 'understand' WHY he did something wrong but he was not forced at gunpoint to do something criminal. He made a free choice. He IS responsible.

Anyone who has gone to hell--and it may interest you to know that the Catholic Church has not pronounced that even ONE person has actually done so--not Judas, not Hitler, even!--has done so not because the devil 'made him', or God 'condemned ' him, but because he freely chose. And. . .he doesn't *want to change the decision.
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ever read Milton's "Paradise Lost"? Milton puts into the mouth of the devil, as far as I remember, these words< 'Better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven.'

Even those there are purely' human' words they express I think a great truth. The mind of the one who has set himself against God does so for precisely that reason--they would rather 'reign' as their own god, even in torment, rather than to 'obey' or submit to even the author of all good.

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If you commit a mortal sin do you automatically go to hell? Anyway, by those standards, atheists are not committing mortal sin because they do not know what they are doing is wrong. If you don't believe that God exists, then how could you know that it is wrong to believe that?

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No you go to hell if you die with unrepentant mortal sin.

You and I don't know what athiests know in their hearts when they made the choices they made, only God knows this. Nor do we know the state of their soul at the time of their death. Some atheists may very well make it to heaven we won't know during this lifetime.

The existence of God is debated though. If God revealed himself explicitly, and his existence was a fact that everyone knew, I would agree with this. But many people, and rightfully so I would say, do not think He exists. They do make some good points.

I agree with what you are saying here. I do think God is just. I just don’t think that eternal suffering is the proper punishment for even a mortal sin. Even an eye for an eye is far more just than that. Sending someone to hell is like “infinite eyes for an eye.” That is why I think you just get sent back down to earth instead of going to hell. That is the only just thing IMO.

But you see, you’re assuming that the punishment isn’t fair because you’re likewise assuming the person would ‘change’ or regret at some point in eternity.

Suppose you have a person who is wielding a knife and announcing that the minute he gets into a locked building he is going to start killing the people there?

You would NEVER let the person into the building if he continued to state his intent to kill, would you?

That’s analogous to heaven and hell. A person in hell wants to ‘kill’ (spiritually) himself and everyone else because that is the ultimate rejection of God’s gift of life. The person in hell is never going to change and regret. Ever. You and I, living on earth, if we were in prison for life, might change. But once we die. . .we don’t change.

Think about what you’re saying. Basically you accept my reasoning because here’s the thing. . .ultimately you’re saying that after X reincarnations the person will ‘go good’ and get to heaven instead of hell. You’re acknowledging that the person DOES have to change. What you aren’t accepting is that at death, a person cannot change. (In life, we can. In death, we can’t. Simple as that).

And God is fair. All through the person’s life there are MULTIPLE opportunities to choose heaven and life. Even for the person who has never heard of God, God will make Himself known.

You might not think God has done so to your satisfaction and specifications. . .but I ask you. . .when you look at your little son, don’t you feel a great love? Even knowing that your son is going to face all kinds of little ups and downs, don’t you think life is worth it? Won’t you try to give him opportunities–and won’t he reject some, even some good ones? And won’t he learn?

When he will want to walk, and will stubbornly keep on trying and falling, you’ll be most loving if you don’t pick him up because if you pick him up, he won’t learn.

And God is a father too. . .

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But you see, you're assuming that the punishment isn't fair because you're likewise assuming the person would 'change' or regret at some point in eternity.

Suppose you have a person who is wielding a knife and announcing that the minute he gets into a locked building he is going to start killing the people there?

You would NEVER let the person into the building if he continued to state his intent to kill, would you?

That's analogous to heaven and hell. A person in hell wants to 'kill' (spiritually) himself and everyone else because that is the ultimate rejection of God's gift of life. The person in hell is never going to change and regret. Ever. You and I, living on earth, if we were in prison for life, might change. But once we die. . .we don't change.

Think about what you're saying. Basically you accept my reasoning because here's the thing. . .ultimately you're saying that after X reincarnations the person will 'go good' and get to heaven instead of hell. You're acknowledging that the person DOES have to change. What you aren't accepting is that at death, a person cannot change. (In life, we can. In death, we can't. Simple as that).

And God is fair. All through the person's life there are MULTIPLE opportunities to choose heaven and life. Even for the person who has never heard of God, God will make Himself known.

You might not think God has done so to your satisfaction and specifications. . .but I ask you. . .when you look at your little son, don't you feel a great love? Even knowing that your son is going to face all kinds of little ups and downs, don't you think life is worth it? Won't you try to give him opportunities--and won't he reject some, even some good ones? And won't he learn?

When he will want to walk, and will stubbornly keep on trying and falling, you'll be most loving if you don't pick him up because if you pick him up, he won't learn.

And God is a father too. . .

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You said yourself that in life people can change. So instead of punishing them after one life, I think God gives people more chances to change and sends them back to earth. After a while the person will learn the truth.

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