Why Everyone Should Be A Member Of The Catholic Church

Brothers and Sisters, I want to tell you a little bit about the Catholic Church.

About 2,000 years ago, Jesus during his ministry told Peter that He is the Rock, and upon THAT ROCK, he will build his Church, and the Gates of Hell will never prevail against it. Christ created the Catholic Church to be the living image of Himself and His Ministry. Over the years, there have been major schisms and heresies, such as Orthodoxy, Arianism, Protestantism, and Catharism. But, the Catholic Church has prevailed.

“Why are none of these major schisms the Truth?” you ask? Well, Arianism and Catharism are dead. If they were the Truth, would God have allowed them to die? I assume not. As with Orthodoxy and Protestantism, the Orthodox do not have the unification that we have in the Catholic Church. The Orthodox are split on the issue of contraceptives, whether Catholic Orders are valid, as well as many other things.

With Protestantism, there are thousands of Protestant denominations. Which one is right? According to Martin Luther, the Eucharist is Christ’s Body under the bread, and Christ’s Blood under the wine. But, Calvinists believe that it is just symbolic. Lutherans believe that baptism washes you away from sin, but it isn’t absolutely necessary for salvation. Calvinists believe that baptism is just a symbol of your commitment to Christ. Who is right? Perhaps the Lutherans? The Calvinists? Neither.

We have two mothers: The Catholic Church, and our birth mother. Our birth mother nourishes us with her breast milk when we are infants, but stops when we become old enough to eat solid food. But, we continue to suck off the Catholic Church’s breast milk for the rest of our lives. And that breast milk is the sacraments. We are constantly being taken care of by our Mother, as She loves us. Our birth mother gives us breast milk for the body, and the Catholic Church gives us breast milk for the soul.

I am reminded of a moment when I watched the TV show, The Tudors. There is a part in an episode where Pope Paul is discussing with his Cardinals the issue of King Henry VIII separating from the Catholic Church. He tells his Cardinals a story of when he was a boy. He was swimming, and a strong wave carried him far from the shore. He cried out to God to save him, and a gentle wave came along and carried him back to shore. No one can swim without the Catholic Church. Those who leave the Church will soon find that they are not swimming, but drowning. We can think that there are two Arks: Noah’s Ark, and the Ark of St. Peter. The Ark of St. Peter is the Catholic Church, and it saves us from an ocean of heresies, lies, schisms, and evil.

Christ created the Catholic Church on this earth to save souls, and be the living image of Him. We are led to salvation by the Church’s breast milk, and the guidance of our Holy Father. The Holy Father is second-to-Christ. Under his guidance, we can be assured that we are being led correctly, and that unity is ensured. If we didn’t have the Holy Father, what would our Holy Church be like? Just look at the situation of the Orthodox.

Go, and reflect. The Truth is before you. Go and spread the word of the Catholic Church. The message of the Church is: We are here to save souls. Uncle Sam may have said, “I want YOU in the Army.” Well, I say, “I want YOU in the Catholic Church.”

Peace be with you always.

You could also add a third mother: Mary

:amen::blessyou:

Very inspiring! Thank you!

it says you are wanting to become Catholic. are you in RCIA or are you planning to convert? best of luck. you seem to have a good understanding of the Catholic faith.
good luck! I like your enthusiasm!

Beautiful! Very Inspiring! Thank You. God bless you. And there are so many ways we can help save souls. Our daily offering, Consecration to Jesus through Mary, Consecration to God the Father and Holy Spirit, Prayers and Sacrifices, chaplets including Divine Mercy, attending/having Masses said, joining a third order/confraternity/pious union/ joining or starting a local St. Paul Street Evangelization, teaching CCD/RCIA, Adoration, supporting the missions, “adopting a priest”, supporting religious Orders, distributing religious items/ sacramentals/holy cards. A lot of souls have been brought to God through prayer, smiles, joy, enthusiasm, the spiritual and corporeal works of Mercy, distributing the Bible, the Diary of St. Faustina, Story of a soul. Very important also, being a good example to your children, family, co-workers, friends, neighbors. As the song goes, “They will know we our Christians by our love”.

I’m actually not allowed to convert at the moment. The thread below might help explain my situation. God bless. :slight_smile:

forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=778491

This is absolutely correct and I pray for your speedy reception into the bosom of Holy Mother Church. Why everyone should be a member of the Catholic Church is very simply demonstrated by the infallible truth that outside of the Church there is no salvation. Ignorance will not save you and a state of schism and heresy will lead you to the fires of perdition.

Rejoice in the glorious and joyful truth that unless you be born again of water and the Holy Ghost and live in humble docility under the benevolent shepherding of the Supreme Pontiff you shall not enter unto eternal life.

This truth, this dogma of the Catholic faith, should reinvigorate us in our support of the missions and the spreading of the Gospel that all men may be saved.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

thanks for the link. I read the thread and made a post.

best of luck!!

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The ignorance itself will not save you, but those that are ignorant through no fault can be excused.

No they cannot. There are absolutely no exceptions. Those who remain in a state of ignorance will not be saved. This is the teaching of the Church through history and in the documents of the Second Vatican Council.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

Well my good sir, that is heretical. And it was heretical before Vatican II.

I’ll just post one quote on this matter.

Pope Pius IX in 1863 from Quanto Conficiamur Moerore paragraph 7.

“Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching. There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.”

My dear sir I strongly suggest that you retract your accusation that I have repeated a heresy as you have by way of calumnious insult against me condemned the Church of heresy and the same glorious Pius IX of blessed memory.

Where pray tell does Bl. Pope Pius IX say that one will attain to salvation in a state of ignorance?

In fact does this quoted passage not say that …"it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity." So are you saying that the blessed Pope has contradicted himself in the same paragraph? What does he actually say?

“There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.

Now are you going to tell me that a Pope of blessed memory believed that someone could receive divine light and grace and remain in a state of ignorance? He clarified this statement later by telling is us that God, in “His supreme kindness and clemency do[es] not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments.”

This same Pope had already stated that it is a grave error that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. He then states that God in his supreme kindness and clemency would not permit anyone who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishment that is of good will.

My dear sir where exactly does Pope Pius IX say that such a person would be saved in a state of ignorance? The only Catholic understanding here is that if someone is of good will then God will bring them to the true faith, not leave them in ignorance.

Try harder. And refrain from condemning others for heresy when you clearly have a limited understanding of the subject matter at hand.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

I love your enthusiasm. You are the kind of young man the Church needs.

That warmed my heart. Thank you. God bless. :slight_smile:

Thanks for the post Ben.

As the Catholic Church has been instituted by Christ with the fullness of Truth to enable salvation, Catholics should offer that truth. The Church also recognises that salvation is possible for non-Catholics.

“By Faith it is to be firmly held that outside the Apostolic Roman Church none can achieve salvation. This is the only ark of salvation. He who does not enter into it will perish in the flood. Nevertheless, equally certainly it is to be held that those who suffer from invincible ignorance of the true religion, are not for this reason guilty in the eyes of the Lord. Now, then, who could presume in himself an ability to set the boundaries of such ignorance, taking into consideration the natural differences of peoples, land, native talents, and so many other factors.” (Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem, 1863 A.D.)

As Blessed John Paul II explains in *Threshold of Hope *(Random House, 1994, p 140-1):
“Besides formal membership in the Church, the sphere of salvation can also include other forms of relation to the Church. Paul VI expressed this same teaching in his first encyclical, Ecclesiam Suam, when he spoke of the various circles of the dialogue of salvation (Cf. p 101-117), which are the same as those indicated by the Council as the spheres of membership in and of relation to the Church. This is the authentic meaning of the well-known statement ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’”

The Church teaches that Protestants are “indeed joined to us in some real way in the Holy Spirit” (*Lumen Gentium *#15), and this confirms “no salvation without the Church” as a reality.

The “necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation” = no salvation without the Catholic Church; the doctrinal meaning of the phrase, means that whether they know it or not, salvation for anyone can come only through Christ’s Church. Christ offers the actual graces which can enable them to follow the natural moral law, and come home if they have the opportunity to so do. The teaching MEANS that WITHOUT the Church there is no salvation – ALL salvation comes through Christ’s Church.

This is false and is not Catholic teaching. Non-Catholics cannot be saved in a state where they have not embraced the Church willfully and actually. This has been the constant teaching of the Church and is the teaching of the Second Vatican Council when read within the illuminating light of tradition.

“By Faith it is to be firmly held that outside the Apostolic Roman Church none can achieve salvation. This is the only ark of salvation. He who does not enter into it will perish in the flood. Nevertheless, equally certainly it is to be held that those who suffer from invincible ignorance of the true religion, are not for this reason guilty in the eyes of the Lord. Now, then, who could presume in himself an ability to set the boundaries of such ignorance, taking into consideration the natural differences of peoples, land, native talents, and so many other factors.” (Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem

, 1863 A.D.)

Where exactly does the Pope say that non-Catholics will be saved in their state of ignorance? First and foremost he opens with the statement “This [the Church] is the only ark of salvation. He who does not enter into it will perish in the flood.” Where does he then say that those outside of the ark of salvation can be saved? He says nothing more than that Our Lord would judge the invincibly ignorant as not guilty for their ignorance. Ignorance is not a sin.

But that does not automatically imply that one can be saved by simply being free from actual sin. We do not deserve heaven. We cannot merit heaven of our own accord and we do not deserve to go to heaven after we die regardless of how good we are. It is a free gift of God.

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” — Pope Boniface VIII, Unam sanctam

That is a very black and white dogma. I do not understand why someone would wish to abandon this glorious truth. Nor does Blessed Pope Pius IX abandon it. This is the doctrine he taught:

And here, beloved Sons and Venerable Brethren, it is necessary once more to mention and censure the serious error into which some Catholics have unfortunately fallen. For they are of the opinion that men who live in errors, estranged from the true faith and from Catholic unity, can attain eternal life. This is in direct opposition to Catholic teaching. We all know that those who are afflicted with invincible ignorance with regard to our holy religion, if they carefully keep the precepts of the natural law that have been written by God in the hearts of all men, if they are prepared to obey God, and if they lead a virtuous and dutiful life, can attain eternal life by the power of divine light and grace. For God, Who reads comprehensively in every detail the minds and souls, the thoughts and habits of all men, will not permit, in accordance with his infinite goodness and mercy, anyone who is not guilty of a voluntary fault to suffer eternal torments (suppliciis). However, also well-known is the Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church, and that those who obstinately oppose the authority and definitions of the Church, and who stubbornly remain separated from the unity of the Church and from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff (to whom the Saviour has entrusted the care of His vineyard), cannot attain salvation.

The Pope affirms the necessity of belonging to the Catholic Church. He says that those in a state of invincible ignorance carry no fault of sin because of that. And that if they are of good will and prepared to obey God then they will receive divine light and grace and can attain to salvation. Where does Blessed Pope Pius IX say that such a person will be saved in their ignorant state? Why is there any reason to believe that God would grant light and grace to someone and not bring them into His Church outside of which they will never be saved? If someone seeks God and the truth with an open heart and good will God will bring him to His Church. All things are possible in God.

The same Pope of blessed memory clarified his statements on those in a state of invincible ignorance when again he says “However, also well-known is the Catholic dogma that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church.

You need to read all of this through the Church’s tradition.

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As Blessed John Paul II explains in *Threshold of Hope *(Random House, 1994, p 140-1):
“Besides formal membership in the Church, the sphere of salvation can also include other forms of relation to the Church. Paul VI expressed this same teaching in his first encyclical, Ecclesiam Suam, when he spoke of the various circles of the dialogue of salvation (Cf. p 101-117), which are the same as those indicated by the Council as the spheres of membership in and of relation to the Church. This is the authentic meaning of the well-known statement ‘Outside the Church there is no salvation.’”

And where does Blessed Pope John Paul II say that the dialogue of salvation can close with someone in a state of separation from the Church and that they can then attain unto the beatific vision? He is not saying what you think he’s saying. Admittedly he’s not saying much. Regardless his own personal book carries no authority in this. Stick with Magisterial documents.

The Church teaches that Protestants are “indeed joined to us in some real way in the Holy Spirit” (*Lumen Gentium *#15), and this confirms “no salvation without the Church” as a reality.

Everyone that is baptised is a member of the Church. That includes Protestants and Orthodox Christians. Of course they can attain unto salvation if they do not reject the Catholic faith and obstinately refuse obedience to the Supreme Pontiff.

The “necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation” = no salvation without the Catholic Church; the doctrinal meaning of the phrase, means that whether they know it or not, salvation for anyone can come only through Christ’s Church. Christ offers the actual graces which can enable them to follow the natural moral law, and come home if they have the opportunity to so do. The teaching MEANS that WITHOUT the Church there is no salvation – ALL salvation comes through Christ’s Church.

No salvation outside of the Church is a very clear and well defined dogma of the Church. You are positing a position that is contrary to the teachings of the Popes and the Ecumenical Councils including the Second Vatican Council.

There’s no wiggling about it, there’s no getting around it. We have to get out there, we have to support the missions, we have to baptise, we have to bring everyone into the embrace of Holy Mother Church. Otherwise they will not be saved.

Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.

O Sapientia #18
Non-Catholics cannot be saved in a state where they have not embraced the Church willfully and actually.

False.

#19
No salvation outside of the Church is a very clear and well defined dogma of the Church. You are positing a position that is contrary to the teachings of the Popes and the Ecumenical Councils including the Second Vatican Council.

On the contrary, from Vatican II Lumen Gentium:
*16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18)

Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.(19*) Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel.(20*)**Notes:
18. Mk. 1:15; cf. Mt. 4:17.
19. Mk. 4:14.
20 Lk. 12:32.
127 Cf. Acts 17:25-28.
128 Cf. 1 Tim. 2:4.

“Extra Ecclesiam, Nulla Salus” …it is necessary to clarify the meaning of an old theological principle whose interpretation has caused difficulty in the past: Extra ecclesiam, nulla salus (literally, “outside the Church, there is no salvation”). Some people have wished to understand this saying in the most literal sense: that is, that the person who is not formally a practicing Catholic cannot be saved. The Church has condemned such an interpretation (cf. Denzinger-Schönmetzer, 3870-3873).

This is not to say that the maxim is false. Properly understood, it is quite true. The Latin word extra can mean either “without” or “outside.” The correct interpretation and sense of the maxim is that we cannot be saved without the Church. It is through the Church, which carries on and makes present the salvific work of Jesus Christ in the world, that all who are saved reach heaven (even if it is perhaps only there that they realize it). Those who, through no fault of their own, have never known Christ or his Church can still be saved. But their salvation, too, is the effect of Jesus working through his Church. In a positive sense, this theological principle “means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body” (CCC 846).
Encyclopedia of Catholic Doctrine, OSV].

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