[quote=Sir Knight]I am in a discussion with someone and their position is that today’s Catholic church is not the church that Christ established because it does not do the things that the original church did. Namely … [list=1]*] First century Christians did not employ “Rosaries”.
*] First century Christians did not sell scapulars.
*] First century Christians did not participate in pedobaptism (if so,show me book,line,verse … their ‘demand’, not mine)
*] First century Christians did not worship or pray to Mary (book, line, verse)
*] First century Christians baptized by immersion…the very word baptize means “to immerse”.[/list] … As always, any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Yes, they did. They weren’t called Rosaries at the time, but then again the Trinity wasn’t called the Trinity then either. First century Christians, as well as Jews even before Christ, used to use a chain of beads to count out psalms as they were prayed. In the first few centuries, the chains were shortened to include only some of the psalms (they were formerly 150 bead chains, 1 for each psalm). Later on, people began saying Hail Marys instead of the psalms.
They didn’t wear necklasses with crosses on them or have crosses on their churches, either. In fact, today we no longer use the fish symbol which was almost a universal indicator of a Christian gathering in the first century. Protestants do all of these things. Things like the scapular are only symbols and signs of devotion, just like modern day crosses. These are simply things which have developed over time which act as symbols and do not effect in any way our manner of worship or differentiate it from early Christian worship. They worshipped Christ without needing a sign on their buildings with a cross on it, and we worship without the fish symbol. None of this has anything to do with worshipping God. This is hard for me to put into the right words for you to just copy but I am assuming you get my point.
Yes, they did.
The issue of infant Baptism is not discussed explicitly in the Bible, but it is likely that there were babies in the households of Lydia, Stephanus and the jailer at Philippi, where Paul baptized entire families (Acts 16:14-15, Acts 16:29-34 and 1 Corinthians 1:16). In Colossians 2:11-12 Paul alludes to infant baptism when he tells us that Baptism has replaced circumcision. Circumcision took place on the eighth day after birth (Genesis 17:12). We know that early Christians baptized their infants on the eighth day after birth because the third Council of Carthage decreed in the year 252, “that baptism of children need not be deferred until the eighth day after birth as some maintained, but might be administered as soon as possible” (Cyprian, Epistle 64 (59), 2).
We have no record of early Christian writers condemning infant Baptism. However, much is written in support of it. Irenaeus, who lived from 140-202, and was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John wrote, “Christ came to save all who through Him are born again unto God, infants and children, boys and youths, and aged persons” (Against Heresies 2, 22:4). Origen, who lived from 182 to 255 wrote, “Baptism is given even to infants” (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3).
As for the practice of pouring water on the forehead instead of total immersion, this too was a practice of the early Church. We read in the “Didache,” which was written somewhere between the years 70 and 150, that those being baptized could be immersed in water, but if it wasn’t practical, “sprinkle water three times on the head” (2:7). Tertullian, writing in the second century, describes Baptism as, “a sprinkling of any kind of water” (Baptism 6:1). Many who were converted in prison were baptized this way.
“He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age” (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).
See catholic.com/library/Infant_Baptism.asp for a summary
see catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_of_Infant_Baptism.asp for quotes from early Church fathers
See also web.archive.org/web/20030604152502/http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ398.HTM (if you want a headache)