Why I called out Joyce Meyer and Joel Osteen - Pastor Rick Henderson

churchismessy.com/2013/08/05/why-i-called-out-joel-osteen-and-joyce-meyer/

“When I was a kid I could tell the difference between neighborhood kids who wanted to be my friend from the neighborhood kids who were my friends so that they could play with my toys. Joel and Joyce are the latter.”

JOYCE MEYER

"When I first heard her tell her story I was deeply moved and impressed. She is an amazing example of overcoming hurts and abuse. She will forever have my admiration and respect in that regard. Furthermore, she gives spectacular advice. If my wife or if one of my daughters went to her in a moment of crisis, I believe they would return with magnificently helpful advice.

If they went to her for teaching, they would return with deadly heresy."

Irony alert.

Lol LOVE Joyce meyer I have her study bible. She doesnt teach heresy lmao.

Then what would one have to teach to actually BE heresy in your opinion?

Everything non christian cults teach. The Trinity is pagan, hell fire is symoblic for death, we are saved by works not by faith, jesus didnt rise bodily but spirtually etc etc

Wouldn’t that list of beliefs be pretty close to the teaching of Jehovah’s witnesses?

Yes, they are a non christian dooms day cult.

May I ask why your “religion” information says you are studying with your JW grandmother? Would it be in the hope of alerting her to the dangers of JW beliefs?

Havent changed that info thing in forever, I hardly ever go on this site

It would be good to change it; as it stands it is misleading isn’t it?

Well how do I change it?

Profile > Control Panel > Edit Your Details

It is in the box called religion :wink:

Thanks, Savinggrace! That was a fantastic video!

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Anybody consider any of the first 6 points below to be heretical teachings or not? Yes/No and why?

"False Doctrine - Joyce Meyer

  1. She teaches that Jesus literally stopped being the Son of God on the Cross:

craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-6-joyce-meyer.mp3

“He could have helped himself up until the point where he said I commend my spirit into your hands, at that point he couldn’t do nothing for himself anymore. He had become sin, he was no longer the Son of God. He was sin.” Joyce Meyer

  1. She teaches that Jesus went to Hell and became the first-born again man:

craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-7-joyce-meyer.mp3

“Do you know something? The minute that blood sacrifice was accepted Jesus was the first human being that was ever born again. Now that was real it happened when he was in hell.”

  1. She teaches that Jesus paid for our sins in Hell:

youtube.com/watch?v=SwNfOaxIcOM

“There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell” Joyce Meyer (The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make)

  1. She teaches that words have power and you can release the power of Heaven through your words:

youtube.com/watch?v=DInxKmfgts0

  1. She teaches that you need special revelation from God to understand what she teaches because it is NOT contained in the Bible:

craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-2-joyce-meyer.mp3

“The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really. That’s why you’ve got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I’m telling you. I’ve got to just trust God that He’s putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine.” Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio)

craigbrownsreformedtheology.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/clip-4-joyce-meyer.mp3

“Now spirits don’t have bodies, so we can’t see them. Okay? There probably is, I believe there is, and I certainly hope there is several angels up here this morning that are preaching with me. I believe that right before I speak some anointed statement to you, that one of them bends over and says in my ear what I’m supposed to say to you.” Joyce Meyer (Witchcraft & Related Spirits (Part 1) – 2 A-27 Audiotape)

  1. She teaches that she is no longer a sinner: youtube.com/watch?v=5dmHJdM63hk

Unfortunately I could continue with examples of her utter misuse of scripture, false teaching and blatant heresy. In America, Christians have an embarrassment of riches. We can buy more books, download more podcasts and tune into more helpful teachers than anyone else on the planet. The lies that she teaches are easily lost in the hum of all the great teachers we hear. But this is not the case in the third world.

In many other countries their resources are far fewer. Uneducated pastors, who are doing their very best and uninformed Christians have this garbage pumped into their countries through radio waves and TV broadcasts. Because Joyce Meyer is endorsed here, she is trusted there. And, she can afford to spread her message with the money she makes from American Christians who buy her books, CDs and who attend her conferences. Her influence is severely disrupting the church in the third world. Her teachings are the unfortunate starting point for Christians in the third world and it is birthing even greater heresies.

The devastating reality that we have to come to grips with is that when we support her here, we support the churches she is undoing there.

Financial Concerns

There is nothing wrong with being wealthy. I love it when Christians are rich. That should mean more money to fund the mission. But there is a line to how much money we as leaders should spend on ourselves. I don’t know where the line is, but it is somewhere before the ministry purchasing million dollar homes for us and our kids. That line is somewhere before purchasing us a $10 million private jet. The line is somewhere before the ministry spending $261, 498 for 68 pieces of furniture. That equates to $3,845.56 per item. That line is somewhere before spending so egregiously that the U.S. Senate investigates us. Joyce Meyer lands on the other side of that line.

The following link includes audio from Joyce Meyer. Around 5:30 she is asked if people will get more money back to them if they give financially to her ministry: youtube.com/watch?v=tlWQsoA7D24

Not only does she teach giving as a way to leverage more money from God, she is reckless with desperate people. She is not at all concerned if people give to her instead of paying bills. This is intolerable!

Questionable Example and Lack of Accountability

I challenge you to watch a typical message by Joyce Meyer. Here are a few of things you will notice:

She pauses about every 5 minutes for applause. And if people don’t applaud she is likely to say something like, “I’m preaching better than you’re acting.”
She talks about herself constantly. She is the main character in every story she tells. Even when she talks about herself in a self-deprecating way, some how it comes across in a way that causes people to admire her more.
God talks to her and reveals new information to her…a lot!
Her ministry lacks real accountability. Her family and her close friends are the governing board. This is an organization that receives almost $100 million dollars annually, and with no substantive accountability.

#1 is heresy because the person of Christ is of two natures - human and divine - always. The notion that one nature (the divine) could disappear is heresy.

#2 looks like nonsense. One is born from above by water and the Holy Spirit; hell has nothing to do with it. When nonsense parades as doctrine then it is heresy.

#3 is another nonsense; an invention of the imagination without foundation in sacred scripture or sacred tradition.

#4 is the theme of the word of faith movement; it has its roots in Christian Science and other 19th century animal-magnetism healing movements. It is also the keystone of that absurdity called “the law of attraction” and “the secret” which some of you may have seen advertised on TV as an infomercial.

#5 is crazy talk. Amusing if it were said by a comedian, but seriously scary-silly when said by a preacher.

#6 is a heresy known as perfectionism, probably dressed up in some new clothes by this preacher.

It’s a pity that people watch her program.

Do you by chance happen to use Christian forums?There is a user with your exact name and is also Catholic

What website did you get this from?How about her actual website

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God gives all believers spiritual gifts. They are for the strengthening of God’s people (the Church) and proof of God’s existence and power to unbelievers. The gifts of the Spirit are active and relevant today.

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Sanctification is the ongoing process of allowing God’s character to be developed in us.

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Divine healing is active in the lives of people today through Jesus, who is the Healer. Healing includes physical, mental, emotional and spiritual restoration.

Luke 9:11; Matthew 9:35; Acts 10:38; Matthew 10:1

The Bible describes hell as a real place. It is a place of suffering and a place of permanent separation from God for those who die without accepting Christ. God’s desire is that no one be separated from Him for eternity, which is why He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to earth.

Hebrews 9:27; Revelation 20:12-15; John 3:16-18

Jesus will return and take all those who have accepted Him as Savior to be with Him for eternity.

Acts 1:11; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17; Hebrews 9:28

She quotes lots of scripture in her “creed” - but it’s her actions, her fruit that betrays what’s at the core. Like Shakespeare says:

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

~~William Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice

While I don’t agree with everything Joyce Meyer teaches, I have to say that it’s not my style to condemn people just from reading quotes or hearing snippets of sermons that have been collected on a critical website. I would much rather do the hard work of absorbing the totality of what she teaches rather than just one portion that could be taken out of context.

For example, I *think that the audio of her saying she is no longer a sinner is being taken out of context. My mother listens to Joyce Meyer. She has been to Joyce Meyer conferences and she listens to her on tv. I’ve heard her teaching, so I have some basis on which to form an opinion. She does not teach sinless perfection. She does teach something akin to the “overcoming life” that believers can have when they totally consecrate themselves to God. This does not mean that one will not continue to sin, but they will no longer identify and be bound or motivated by sin.

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