Why is Harry Potter hated by some Catholics for magic when lord of the rings has Gandalf who was a wizard?


#40

Some people have trained their brains that anything that wasn’t around when they were kids must be evil.


#41

Gandalf is an angel in Middle Earth, sent by the God of Middle Earth, to guide the consciences of people, and only use his powers as a last resort.
So he is like an angel doing God’s work, such as an archangel.

Harry Potter unfortunately, if you read Jk Rowlings latest book ‘A History of Magic’, draws strongly on occult history. And if you read her latest book mentioned, about where she got the ideas for Harry potter, much of it is taken from actual occult history.
Such as Divination is a class in Harry Potter (which is forbidden by the bible),

Satanists have said that since the Harry Potter books and movies, requests to join them, by children, went up by 300%.

Harry Potter is just a story but unfortunately SOME people cannot just leave it as fiction but investigate actual spells/ occult,

Criticism against the books also comes from one of the official exorcists of the Archdiocese of Rome, Gabriele Amorth, who believes that, “Behind Harry Potter hides the signature of the king of the darkness, the devil.”[44] He further told the Daily Mail that the books make a false distinction between black and white magic, while, in reality, the distinction “does not exist, because magic is always a turn to the devil.” Amorth believes that the books can be a bad influence on children by getting them interested in the occult


#42

IF that’s true, then you’d have to ask their parents where these children learned about Satanism, because it wasn’t from the Harry Potter books or movies.


#43

Jeremiah Films, a Christian video company largely known for its Clinton Chronicles release, also released a DVD entitled Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged which stated that "Harry’s world says that (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_possession) that contacting the dead, and conversing with ghosts, others in the spirit world, and more, is normal and acceptable.

"One of the easiest ways to know whether a fantasy book or film has real world magick in it is to just ask a simple question, ‘Can my child find information in a library or bookstore that will enable them to replicate what they are seeing in the film or the book?’ If you go to The Chronicles of Narnia and The Lord of the Rings what you see in, story magic and imagination, it is not real. You can’t replicate it. But if you go to something like Harry Potter , you can find references to astrology, clairvoyance, and numerology. It takes seconds to go into a bookstore or library and get books on that and start investigating it, researching it, and doing it.


#44

I think Zachary King’d made comments to the effect that the HP books entice people by making the occult look appealing and harmless & in that way can lead some into the occult.

I’ve read all of the books in the series, & they’re all very well written, but admittedly the storylines do grow darker as they progress.

I love the LOTR movies. I cried when…Oh, I better shut up so to not spoil it for anyone never having seen the films…


#45
  • Survives an attack by a powerful ruler as an infant due to the sacrifice of his parents
  • Displays an uncanny knowledge and awareness beyond his years at the age of eleven
  • Defends people believed by society to be evil because he understands they are not
  • Faces persecution by those who fear his message and believe it will undermine their power
  • Chooses to sacrifice himself to save the world from evil
  • Returns from the dead to defeat that evil

Honestly, the only way to make it more obvious would be to add a footnote saying “PS - Harry is supposed to represent Jesus”


#46

I’ve never been sure why a “dark” storyline gets equated with an occult storyline. I mean, the story of our faith has some pretty dark moments.


#47

Jesus and Harry Potter differences:

Jesus didn’t take classes in Astrology, or Divination, (which are condemned by the Bible)

Harry Potter had a part if an evil person’s soul in him (horcrux) and could see what that evil person could see at times, (demonic oppression),

But it is a fact that actual occult history and terminology is used in the Harry Potter series. (If you read JK Rowling’s latest book ‘A History of Magic,’ )


#48

I am very much familiar with the Harry Potter series. I have read it multiple times, after all. Yes, not every child is born a witch or wizard. Most are born muggles. Not even every child born from wizarding families is born a witch or wizard. There are plenty of squibs.

But you missed my point. Harry Potter is otherwise just a human being. He and his friends are otherwise just normal children. Ones born with certain gifts that others lack, but what pre-teen child (or older) even can’t secretly hope that they’ll get their Hogwarts letter (or Ilvermorny, or Beauxbatons, or Durmstrang)? It takes place in the real world and proposes that ordinary boys and girls can be born with these talents.

I have absolutely no issues with Harry Potter. I think it’s a charming series of books that captures the imagination. But the distinction I made between LotR, in which Gandalf is no human being at all, and HP is valid.


#49

Jesus also didn’t have a wand, play Quidditch, or fly a Hippogriff. And Harry Potter didn’t walk on water or heal people.

Harry Potter is not Aslan. He is not Christ. He is meant to symbolize the role Christ plays in the salvation story. He chooses to die to save humanity.

BTW, astrology and divination are no more real than flying broomsticks and dragons.


#50

I have my differences with YoungCatholicGuy regarding the occult and demonology, but his post isn’t unfounded. Astrology, numerology, and divination are really practiced occult things (albeit if sometimes twisted by pop culture) which can be investigated and looked into, and the Catholic Church explicitly forbids divination (and by its like, astrology and certain fields of numerology), and it’s not the position of the Church that these things are “no more real than flying broomsticks and dragons.”


#51

I don’t think the church teaches that divination is possible, real, or fruitful. I believe the foundation of the prohibition is because, like all superstitions, it violates the first commandment. To BELIEVE that divination is real and possible and to try to see the “future” through it is to turn one’s back on God, in whom we are to trust with our lives and care.


#52

To me they are all the same.
Can’t understand why people like LOTR. It was so boring that I couldn’t finish the book.


#53

Current catholic Exorcists state the occult is real; astology and divination are real, and can result in demonic oppression/ possession. Because it is demonic spirits that provide ‘information’ to souls who use such occult methods.

Wands are used by satanists, to curse people/ for ‘spells.’ Harry Potter series makes use of curses also. Catholic Exorcists have stated the most common occult reason someone needs exorcism is if someone placed a satanic curse on an individual.


#54

Fr. Lopez noted, the devil enters into persons because they allow him to do so.

“He can’t enter us if we do not open doors,” the priest said. “Because of this, God prohibits the practice of magic, superstition, witchcraft, sorcery, divination, consulting the dead and spirits and astrology. These are the seven lands of lies and deceit.”

“That the stars influence our life is the biggest lie. They are millions of kilometers away! They are bodies formed by metals and gasses – how can they influence us? It’s the same with magic, which attributes to objects a power that they don’t have. ‘’

Astrology and Divination and Cursing/ Hexing others are learnt by people in harry Potter. Both are condemned by the Catechism and by Scripture. Catholic Exorcists state all are real and used by the occult, and can result in demonic oppression/ possession:


#55

1h

  • Survives an attack by a powerful ruler as an infant due to the sacrifice of his parents
  • Displays an uncanny knowledge and awareness beyond his years at the age of eleven
  • Defends people believed by society to be evil because he understands they are not
  • Faces persecution by those who fear his message and believe it will undermine their power
  • Chooses to sacrifice himself to save the world from evil
  • Returns from the dead to defeat that evil

Honestly, the only way to make it more obvious would be to add a footnote saying “PS - Harry is supposed to represent Jesus”

Done so obviously because it is an attempt to make it acceptable to Christians. However, we also know that demonic manifestations are often packaged in such a way. Those analogies are not proof that it is a Christian series.


#56

And wands and magic classes are not proof it is demonic.

If you don’t like the series, just don’t like it. But trying to make it out to be evil is as foolish as me holding it up and proclaiming it to be a new Gospel.


#57

I like it. But I am a mature adult, not a kid. I can read it analytically.


#58

Give kids credit. They are far more analytical than you think. Some of the best insights I’ve ever heard on Harry Potter came from children who read it.

BTW, the messages they received from the books?

  • Good will always defeat evil, even if it might be hard
  • Sometimes you have to be prepared to give up what you want to help others
  • Stick to what you know is right, even if others tell you it’s wrong

How are these messages contrary to the Gospel message?


#59

It’s FICTION! If you can’t bring up your children to know the difference between fiction and reality, they shouldn’t read any fiction. And neither should you.

Frankly, if any Satanist did make that claim, I’m inclined to think they were making fun of grown adults who are afraid of children’s stories.


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