Why is helping the poor not important in electing a president?


#1

It is clear that Romney favors the rich considering he wants to cut taxes for the rich and he wants to minimize government programs (ie the ones that help the poor). So why does gay marriage, abortion, and the mandate take precedence over helping the poor? Romney said he doesn’t care about the 47% of Americans that receive government help. Yet he is the right candidate for Christians? If I had to pick a theme for Jesus’ message and the gospels it would be to help the poor and give what you can to those less fortunate…and one candidate promotes that and the other doesn’t. But the candidate that doesn’t care about the poor is the right candidate for Catholics? Is this bizarro world?


#2

Right to life > not being poor (not a right). Simple as that.


#3

Ok…you have touched on several topics but I will address your main question. I think that one of the first questions that one could ask is, when did it become the government’s role to take care of the poor? Until the mid 20th century, this was the role of the Church and other charitable organizations. Now assuming somehow that it is the government’s role, sadly in this land of greed and wealth it is not the top priority of many if not most Americans. Finally, is helping the poor to be done at all costs; the right to life, the right to freedom of religion from government interference, the threatening of the human family and on and on? The ancient Roman emperors gave free food to the poor at the Coliseum while at the same time feeding Christians to the lions. So yes, care for the poor is paramount, but one must also see the big picture.


#4

Giving unlimited tax money to the poor in order to keep them dependent on the government for their basic necessities (and keep them voting D) is not helping them; it’s enslaving them. Growing businesses by reducing taxes on them so that they can expand and hire these poor people is helping.

And if Romney hates the poor, why did he donate 30% of his income last year to charity?


#5

Funny how that 30% of his income he voluntarily gave away isn’t mentioned when people go on and on about how little he was forced to give to the government.


#6

Because he was running for president and knew it would look good? And how much of that 30% was to the church of mormon?

Also, you talk about Romney being anti abortion but what do you really think he would do? Abortion isn’t going to become illegal in America. Romney would literally do nothing about abortion or gay marriage anyway.

And I love this republican view that giving money to the poor will keep them dependent on the poor. No, it puts food in their mouths and a roof over their head. You realize that a whole lot of people that receive government help work harder than the majority of people on this forum making far more than them. And if the government giving them money is the difference between their kids eating or not, I would say it is a no brainer. But continue to be blinded by your conservative bias.

And if you are so convinced that abortion, birth control, and gay marriage are bigger issues than helping the poor why don’t we start quoting Jesus on these issues. I will start:

Luke 6:20-21 Then he looked up at his disciples and said: 'Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

'Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you will be filled. ‘Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh.’

Luke 4:16-19 When he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, he went to the synagogue on the sabbath day, as was his custom. He stood up to read, and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written:

‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to bring good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favour.’

Matthew 25:34-36 Then the king will say to those at his right hand, “Come, you that are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you gave me clothing, I was sick and you took care of me, I was in prison and you visited me.”

Mark 10:21-22 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said, “You lack one thing; go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” When he heard this, he was shocked and went away grieving, for he had many possessions.

THIS ONE IS ESPECIALLY RELEVANT FOR MITT “I GAVE 30% OF MY INCOME TO THE POOR”

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.”

Luke 14:12-14 He said also to the one who had invited him, “When you give a luncheon or a dinner, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, in case they may invite you in return, and you would be repaid. But when you give a banquet, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of the righteous.”

Luke 16:19-25 "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who longed to satisfy his hunger with what fell from the rich man’s table; even the dogs would come and lick his sores. The poor man died and was carried away by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried.

In Hades, where he was being tormented, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus by his side. He called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in agony in these flames.’ But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in agony.

Luke 11:39-42 Then the Lord said to him, "Now you Pharisees clean the outside of the cup and of the dish, but inside you are full of greed and wickedness. You fools! Did not the one who made the outside make the inside also? So give for alms those things that are within; and see, everything will be clean for you. "But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and herbs of all kinds, and neglect justice and the love of God

Luke 12:16-21 Then he told them a parable: “The land of a rich man produced abundantly. And he thought to himself, ‘What should I do, for I have no place to store my crops?’ Then he said, 'I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, ‘Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life is being demanded of you. And the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’ So it is with those who store up treasures for themselves but are not rich toward God.”


#7

Wow, he gave 30% of his income to the poor while running for president.

Also:

Mark 12:41-44 He sat down opposite the treasury, and watched the crowd putting money into the treasury. Many rich people put in large sums. 42 A poor widow came and put in two small copper coins, which are worth a penny. 43 Then he called his disciples and said to them, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. 44 For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on.”

I am sure that 30% (considering it is tax deductible anyway) really hurt his bottom line.


#8

Yeah, sounds like something Jesus would say. Meh, the poor should help themselves, right?


#9

You are saying that the poor should depend on charitable organizations and then you are saying that most Americans don’t care for the poor. So how do you expect charitable organizations to help the poor when you admit that no one is going to donate to them to help the poor? If only there was a way to make a small “donation” to the poor mandatory for people that could afford it. Hmmmm, I wonder how you could do that???


#10

But seriously guys, please post Jesus quotes about gay marriage, abortion, and birth control. I mean if those issues are more important than helping the poor than obviously they would be big issues for Jesus and talked about constantly in the gospels, right?

Maybe the gospel writers just left out the really important quotes about these issues. That is probably what happened.


#11

And seriously, what do you think would happen with abortion laws if Romney is elected? Do you think that Romney’s election would prevent future abortions? Would he make abortion illegal? How would Romney saying he is against abortion actually do anything about the abortions in America?

Seriously, please tell me how Romney getting elected would cut down the number of abortions.


#12

All of your above quotations are built upon the Ten Commandments. Thou shall not murder being one of them. Also, I don’t see any where in your quotations in which Christ stated that the government (and a non-religous one at that) should be distributor of charity or that charity should be forced.


#13

Well what are YOU doing for the poor? Are YOU taking them in? Are YOU giving 30% of YOUR income? Are YOU serving in the soup kitchens etc.? Instead of worrying about what Romney or anybody else is doing, why don’t you focus your energy on helping the poor in YOUR neighborhood?


#14

I am poor. I have a roof over my head and food on the table but I would gladly give 95% of my 15 million to charity than live on my salary.


#15

The Catholic Church prioritizes LIFE over happiness, as does our Constitution.

“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness”

You have to LIVE before anything else can happen.

4,000 babies die in this nation EVERY DAY. We as Catholics cannot vote for candidates who support abortion. That’s the end of the argument, but so many Catholics find ways to twist themselves into pretzels, making excuses as to why they do still vote for those abortion-supporting candidates. Your arguments are the same.

I don’t know if you’re Catholic or not, since you haven’t stated it, but this debate has been going on and on here at CAF and it doesn’t seem likely to change. The main issue is LIFE, not poverty.

Over 50 MILLION taxpayers have been slaughtered since 1973.
4,000 EVERY DAY.

Lord have mercy.

:gopray2:


#16

That is simply false. Why do you feel the need to lie?

So why does gay marriage, abortion, and the mandate take precedence over helping the poor?

Issues of Life and death take precedence over all else for Christians.

If I had to pick a theme for Jesus’ message and the gospels it would be to help the poor and give what you can to those less fortunate…and one candidate promotes that and the other doesn’t.

Atheistic socialism does not help the poor as you claim. Free enterprise and freedom of religion does.


#17

I would suggest you get your facts straight and not listen to the lying media. Romney doesn’t favor the rich nor not support the poor programs. If you realized that the top 1% wage earners in America paid over 40% of our tax base WHICH supports all of the government programs for the poor you would then know you’ve been duped. Also, American corporations are being DRIVEN outside the USA due to restrictive taxes on corporations that the OBAMA administration won’t change. This then allows more jobs and increased per capita living support to the countries which don’t tax a corporation to the point of disolution. Obama and his administration are Euro Socialists who lie and fill the air with untruths that unfortunate people believe. Pray God brings us a new administration that doesn’t support abortion, same sex marriage and birth control which are all supported on the democratic liberal platform and a true INSULT to HIM!


#18

Helping the poor is important in electing a president, but it is infinitely more complicated than the protecting human life. Figuring out whether a particular policy will help the poor is akin to predicting the weather. Obviously there are extremes–anarchy and fascism/communism, but there is a lot of gray area in between.

But we can know for certain if a certain policy will directly take the lives of the innocent. Even if on a moral plane, abortion and helping the poor through welfare were considered equal (which they are not), you will still never really know if welfare helped the poor compared to its alternative policy. But you will always know for sure that legalizing abortion kills the most innocent among us.


#19

You are advocating a false either/or morality… you should do some research on death attributable to poverty in the US (let alone worldwide). It can be argued that more deaths are linked with poverty than abortion, easily. However, both are horrendous causes of loss of life and both should be addressed with equal moral concern. It is not a case of being concerned about abortion over poverty - it is a case of dealing with both.


#20

Question for YOU, interestedman – if you “had to pick a theme for Jesus’ message,” would it be “sure, go ahead, kill unborn children, no problem”?


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