Why is Martin Sheen considered a "good Catholic"?

Martin Sheen is often touted as a good Catholic in Catholic circles - certainly in the popular press.

Yet he supports same sex marriage and is wishy washy on pro-life issues, using the language that he "personally is opposed’ but would not question another person’s right to have an abortion. I don’t think he has ever participated in a pro-life event despite the fact that he stands for many left-wing causes.

IMO, he’s a liberal. Period. But I’m of the mind that NO Catholic should vote for the liberal, socialist party candidates for what they represent and support. I hope his son gets the help he is screaming for with his actions.

I thought he was vocal about pro-life matters. My bad.

It’s hard to be vocal about pro-life issues in Hollywood…

I thought we weren’t supposed to speculate about specific individuals’ faith / sinfulness / goodness / etc., since they in all likelihood won’t be able to defend themselves.

Oh, if that’s the rule here I apologize as I wasn’t aware of it.

I guess my post was more about why certain famous people seem to get a pass at times, and Sheen seems to be one of those.

I’m sure he does many good things, just wish he was stronger in speaking on pro-life issues.

I think it can be said that we could all speak up a bit more for pro-life issues.

*Because it's people who consider themselves to be "good Catholics" who consider Martin to be a "good Catholic".

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Why is Martin Sheen considered a “good Catholic”?

I have no idea.

The role of a public person or politician on faith issues is where the rubber meets the road, in my opinion. President Carter, and other presidents who privately claimed to oppose abortion, publicly supported a woman’s right to an abortion. Yet, the Pope is also a public figure, would he compromise his own morals in order to be popular or influential? I hope not. Ditto for the likes of MLK, or Gandhi, or Tutu. I am not rich or famous. I hope that if I were, then I would have to good sense not to make it more important than my other values. If I had influence, then I hope I would use it to the right ends.

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Bingo.
I'm sorry, but I've never seen Martin Sheen as a "devout catholic." Sorry, no can do. Like a previous poster said, he's personally pro-gay marriage and very "wishy-washy" about abortion.
Think about it. He would not be the darling of many Hollywood activists if he really was TRULY devout. :rolleyes:

I think what we have to do is think about movie star Catholics in a different setting than our hometown setting.

In our hometown setting, a Catholic like Martin Sheen might be considered wishy-washy, cafeteria, or liberal, or even sinful.

But in the Hollywood setting, he might be considered extremely religious, very conservative, holy, devout, spiritual, etc.

In fact, Martin Sheen might be a shining light that the Holy Spirit uses to help other movie stars and people in the entertainment industry find their way home to God and the Catholic Church.

After all, many of these movie stars never hang out around people like us, in the "real" world, who are "good Catholics." They live in a "foreign country", namely, Hollywood (or New York), and their idea of "religion" is utterly bizarre, mixed with all kinds of New Age spirituality and practices.

So someone like Martin Sheen, as "liberal" as he seems to us, is a solid, Jesus-believing, Mass-attending Catholic to his Hollywood peers, and that's a GOOD thing. Those of us who live in Midwest America certainly aren't helping these people to find Jesus and come home to the Catholic Church! We can't, since we don't live in that "country!" (Thank goodness!)

I'm not saying that it's OK for Mr. Sheen to be wishy-washy about abortion, etc. I think, though, that we ought to allow Mr. Sheen to work out his own salvation with the help of the Holy Spirit, and trust that the Holy Spirit will bring about good virtues in Mr. Sheen, just as we trust the Holy Spirit to do this work in us.

As long as Mr. Sheen continues to attend Mass and receive the Sacraments, the Holy Spirit can and does work in his life. Besides, who knows--perhaps Mr. Sheen is only wishywashy in public, so as not to get blacklisted from Hollywood life, but in private, he may be a champion for various Catholic causes. We really can't judge the man from such a distance, not knowing how he lives his life.

I do know that at the moment, he is suffering as he helplessly watches his son implode and take others with him. I'm sure he would appreciate our prayers.

I see where you are coming from, and it's a very valid point, but I can't help think of all those other celebrities that are very passionate about their causes and "faith" (i.e. Scientology) that could care less what Hollywood thinks. But then again, theirs isn't "the last acceptable prejudice".

Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.......but do it in a wishy washy way.....

Doesn't seem to fit. ;)

A Blessed Triduum to all. †

Maybe because he admired Fulton Sheen so much he adopted his name? :shrug:

"Martin" was the name of an agent/friend, while he chose "Sheen" to honor Bishop Fulton J. Sheen; until his early twenties, the actor had been a devoted Catholic.

Read more: answers.com/topic/martin-sheen#ixzz1KB9pVhRW

Well put. We, I include myself and stand at the front of the line, must be careful not to judge others as good or not good Catholics. Judging behavior is one thing. Judging people is another. I disagree with Martin Scheen on several points, however, I know his faith is important to him and I believe he is doing what he does in ernest. I must confess, even with my more orthodox veiws on homosexuality and abortion, he might well be a better Catholic than I.

We are all sinners and works in progress. I pray for him and hope he and you will pray for me. We all need it.

Well, all we can do is pray for him, unless, by chance, we meet him and he brings up his position on these hot topics. Then we can.....have a "conversation". :)

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Well put. We, I include myself and stand at the front of the line, must be careful not to judge others as good or not good Catholics. Judging behavior is one thing. Judging people is another. I disagree with Martin Scheen on several points, however, I know his faith is important to him and I believe he is doing what he does in ernest. I must confess, even with my more orthodox veiws on homosexuality and abortion, he might well be a better Catholic than I.

We are all sinners and works in progress. I pray for him and hope he and you will pray for me. We all need it.

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Those who are employed in the entertainment industry walk a very fine line, with chasms filled with devouring beasts on either side of that line, when it comes to the issue of homosexuality.

They have to be careful. I've heard figures of around 50% of the people involved with entertainment are homosexual or lesbian. You have to be so careful; even if you express your belief in a very positive, loving way, it can be distorted and twisted, and eventually you will be blacklisted from ALL jobs and you'll have nothing.

I realize that some of you think that expressing the truth is more important than having a job. Well, that's easy to say if you have a job. I think that those who are supporting families would be a lot more hesitant.

And really, there is no need for anyone to make an issue out of homosexuality in the entertainment industry. What would it accomplish? There are much more subtle ways to make sure that the truth is made known besides jumping up on a soapbox and blasting what is considered perfecty normal by the vast majority of people involved with the entertainment business.

Remember, we're not just talking about zillionaire celebs. A lot of people--LOTS of people--make their living in the entertainment industry doing everything from accounting to makeup to working in the studio cafeteria to editing to writing.

What good would it do if all the Christians are fired? The industry would be totally in the hands of non-believers and pagans, who would have a field day! It's important that Christians behave carefully and KEEP their jobs so that they can continue to be light in a very dark place.

The Lord Jesus said that we need to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. THAT'S how Christians in entertainment need to be when it comes to the issue of homosexuality.

As for the abortion--there are entertainment celebs who have spoken out against abortion. That's a little easier issue, and probably won't get anyone blacklisted.

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I think what we have to do is think about movie star Catholics in a different setting than our hometown setting.

In our hometown setting, a Catholic like Martin Sheen might be considered wishy-washy, cafeteria, or liberal, or even sinful.

But in the Hollywood setting, he might be considered extremely religious, very conservative, holy, devout, spiritual, etc.

In fact, Martin Sheen might be a shining light that the Holy Spirit uses to help other movie stars and people in the entertainment industry find their way home to God and the Catholic Church.

After all, many of these movie stars never hang out around people like us, in the "real" world, who are "good Catholics." They live in a "foreign country", namely, Hollywood (or New York), and their idea of "religion" is utterly bizarre, mixed with all kinds of New Age spirituality and practices.

So someone like Martin Sheen, as "liberal" as he seems to us, is a solid, Jesus-believing, Mass-attending Catholic to his Hollywood peers, and that's a GOOD thing. Those of us who live in Midwest America certainly aren't helping these people to find Jesus and come home to the Catholic Church! We can't, since we don't live in that "country!" (Thank goodness!)

I'm not saying that it's OK for Mr. Sheen to be wishy-washy about abortion, etc. I think, though, that we ought to allow Mr. Sheen to work out his own salvation with the help of the Holy Spirit, and trust that the Holy Spirit will bring about good virtues in Mr. Sheen, just as we trust the Holy Spirit to do this work in us.

As long as Mr. Sheen continues to attend Mass and receive the Sacraments, the Holy Spirit can and does work in his life. Besides, who knows--perhaps Mr. Sheen is only wishywashy in public, so as not to get blacklisted from Hollywood life, but in private, he may be a champion for various Catholic causes. We really can't judge the man from such a distance, not knowing how he lives his life.

I do know that at the moment, he is suffering as he helplessly watches his son implode and take others with him. I'm sure he would appreciate our prayers.

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How well and beautifully said, Cat. Thank you for saying it. He's our brother, not our enemy.

Wow…I didn’t know we (or the church) were supposed to make concessions for Hollywood celebs. But then again some (fans) do when they vote for their (celeb’s) “darling” candidates regardless of what they stand for.

Priorities.

Just my opinion.

She didn’t say anything about making concessions to anyone about anything. The path that he walks is different than the one that you walk. The Church doesn’t ask that he be right with you or me; the Church asks that he be right with God. So he struggles with issues, so what? Lots of people do. They’re humans and he’s our brother. We should be praying for him, especially now that his son is so publically imploding, instead of ripping him apart for something he said five or ten years ago.

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