Why Is Mormonism Appearing So Much?


#1

I have noticed that is the past three weeks threads about Mormanism and Mormon Theology have been appearing frequently. I have begun to wonder why. Several posters say they are Mormans, yet they disagree with one another. Why has this happened?


#2

[quote=Exporter]I have noticed that is the past three weeks threads about Mormanism and Mormon Theology have been appearing frequently. I have begun to wonder why. Several posters say they are Mormans, yet they disagree with one another. Why has this happened?
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Good question. Wonder what the answer REALLY is. I know I for one am truly interested in understand the LDS. Perhaps God has decided it is important for us to discuss this topic at this time.


#3

Yes, but do they want to discuss? The few Mormon posts I’ve read don’t seem to want to engage in discussion but want to preach.

Blessings,
Shannin


#4

Ya figure?


#5

It’s probably like what happens on other forums. A group of people with a particular interest decide to visit a particular forum so they can try to stir things up. A sudden influx of people with similar goals is rarely coincidental. It’s orchestrated.


#6

[quote=Pyrosapien]It’s probably like what happens on other forums. A group of people with a particular interest decide to visit a particular forum so they can try to stir things up. A sudden influx of people with similar goals is rarely coincidental. It’s orchestrated.
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It is deffinitely not orchestrated, it is sincere and there is no group, I have been a member of the forum since August and just this past month have joined in some of the discussions. I noticed that Leshormom(whatever?) and her husband posted before I did and I found the discussion interesting. Since it was about Mormons and Mormon was spelled wrong, I thought I could perhaps add something to clarify some wrong impressions of Mormons that I was seeing in the posts. BYU-Boy is from Provo Utah and just came into the forum a couple of days ago, jumping in gung ho with both feet. I am amazed by his knowledge, though I must admit I had never heard the part about Jesus being a polygamist thing discussed before so it was new to me. I would imagine it is personal speculation, as he says it is not official church doctrine. Some persons study that kind of thing. I guess I stay mostly to the main stream and study the Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. I am just getting into some of the history of the church, but we are not puppets, we have our own free agency to think and search out things that interest us. Some of us will come to different conclusions about the same information, that does not mean it is Church Doctrine. There is no way that the 3 or 4 of us are in cahoots as you say. I have no way of getting in contact with them except through your forum. Both of them have emailed me through the Catholic forum to tell me to continue writing, and to thank me for being here as a support for them, but I have no way of emailing them back, at least I have not figured it out yet. I am kind of a novice about these computer things.


#7

B J , If you wish to send a message or an e-mail do this.

Left click on the name of that poster. On upper left of the post.
A menue will appear. Look for the line that says e-mail. Click on it. Then write and send the e-mail or PM.


#8

[quote=Exporter]I have noticed that is the past three weeks threads about Mormanism and Mormon Theology have been appearing frequently. I have begun to wonder why. Several posters say they are Mormans, yet they disagree with one another. Why has this happened?
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I think it is because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) are a non-Catholic religion, and this board is dedicated to non-Catholic religions.


#9

[quote=BJ ColbertThere is no way that the 3 or 4 of us are in cahoots as you say. I have no way of getting in contact with them except through your forum. Both of them have emailed me through the Catholic forum to tell me to continue writing, and to thank me for being here as a support for them, but I have no way of emailing them back, at least I have not figured it out yet. I am kind of a novice about these computer things.
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Do you have any questions about the Catholic faith? If so, please post another thread. We would be glad to explain.

Blessings,
Shannin
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#10

Mormons target Catholics. Their overseas missionary efforts are aimed not at the unconverted or unchurched but at Catholics primarily, in the Latin American and European countries. They claim that theirs is the One True Church and that the 2,000-year-old Catholic Church has been “aspostate” since shortly after the death of the last Apostle, St. John the Evangelist. God removed the apostate church from the face of the earth, and this one now called Catholic is a fake that calls itself the “One True Church.” Most of them want to teach us “the truth” about God’s “restored” True Church of the Latter-day Saints, founded in 1830 in New York. They figure this forum is mission territory.

Except BJCOLBERT. She doesn’t know much about her Mormon faith and is here because her husband is a Catholic. But she insists that Mormonism is true (which means that she believes that Catholicism is false). Nevertheless, BJ is a nice person.

JMJ Jay


#11

Katholikos,
Thank you for saying I am a nice person, I appreciate that it shows, but you are wrong when you say I don’t know about my faith.
The things I don’t know about are the things that you and some of the others have brought up about Mormons hating Catholics etc. etc.
When I attend church, which is every Sunday with few exceptions, we spend about 4 hours in learning about Jesus Christ and his ministry and scripture. We first have a Sacrament meeting which lasts 1 and a half hours where we take the sacrament(you call it eucharist) and hear laypersons(like me) give prepared talks lasting about 15-30 min, yesterday the talks were about putting the armor of God on to protect us against the sins of the world, and the second was on being prepared and getting out of debt, then Sunday School, where we each year study a different scripture. Last year it was the New Testament, the year before the Old Testament, this year it has been the Book of Mormon. Occasionally the Joseph Smith translation is discussed but the KJV is the normal study. After Sunday school we separate into Men and Women groups and the men go to Priesthood meeting and women go to Relief Society, where we each group learn more about different things. In relief society we have a monthly cycle of lessons. Beginning with religion, then cultural such as music appreciation or art, one week we make hygiene kits to send to help victims of hurricanes, war, or other calamities, and another week we study child psychology and developement. The children also have their own agebased classes and this goes on from the age of 3 years old. When the children reach high school age they attend religion classes at 6 AM every school day before their school classes. The boys at age 18 or thereabouts serve a mission(at their own expense) By that time they have had a lifetime of learning their religion.
What we do not do is study other religions inside of our church, if a person wishes to do that as a personal goal of learning about other faiths that is up to him.
After attending Catholic mass with my husband for the past 6 years, I have noticed that there are no regular classes for all to attend and learn, there is no music for all to sing(in the mass we attend there is a keyboard and a singer) I love singing hymns so I really miss that. There are no classes for the children to attend and learn about Jesus except separate from Sunday, and aside from Bingo and Casino nights there is no socialization with each other at all. We have attended for all of these years and not one person has said hello, except when they say the Our Father and hold hands and then shake hands after.
When my husband had his stroke, not one person came to see him from his parish, not one offered help in any way.
My church elders came and built 2 ramps for his wheelchair access and did not charge a penney even for materials. When he learned to walk with a walker and cane, they came a took all of it down and cleaned it up. All at no cost . Our home teacher visited my husband every Sunday in the hospital even though it was a 25 mile drive for him to come. When we attend my church many people come up to him and shake hands and they know his name. He is impressed by all of this, and the difference, but of course I am not trying to convert him, because I know he loves his church and is forever a traditional Catholic.
I am not trying to convert anyone in this forum, and have never tried to convert anyone in my life, except my own children. I simply wanted you to know that we do not hate Catholics and do not study such things in our Church. We only try to learn the scriptures and abide by their teachings and love one another, to include all persons of all religions.


#12

BJ - That is too bad that you do not have music that you can sing along with at the Catholic Mass you and your husband attend! I can tell you that this is not the case for any Mass I have ever attended…anywhere. In fact, I am one of the leaders for our band at church and I can say that we have gone to considerable lengths to insure that the congregation can sing, including printing books with the words to our songs at our own cost. The priest at our church has also designated approximately $50,000 for a projection system so that we can project the words to the songs so that people can sing along. I remember (I think) you saying that you are in the Sacramento diocese…may I suggest Divine Savior in Orangevale at 11:30 (I’m biased, but I think it’s pretty darn good).

That is also too bad that there are no classes for adults or children. The parish I attend has several different Bible studies offered on different days and at different times. Plus we have an RCIA program (for people entering the church, though I hear it’s good for anyone who wants to know about The Church). And we also have classes for kids…on Sundays.

The Parish that your husband belongs to sounds rather interesting from the stories of your priests, other parishoners, singing, etc. Is it maybe time to search for a new one? It doesn’t sound like it’s the best Parish.


#13

[quote=BJ Colbert]It is deffinitely not orchestrated, it is sincere and there is no group, I have been a member of the forum since August and just this past month have joined in some of the discussions. I noticed that Leshormom(whatever?) and her husband posted before I did and I found the discussion interesting. Since it was about Mormons and Mormon was spelled wrong, I thought I could perhaps add something to clarify some wrong impressions of Mormons that I was seeing in the posts. BYU-Boy is from Provo Utah and just came into the forum a couple of days ago, jumping in gung ho with both feet. I am amazed by his knowledge, though I must admit I had never heard the part about Jesus being a polygamist thing discussed before so it was new to me. I would imagine it is personal speculation, as he says it is not official church doctrine. Some persons study that kind of thing. I guess I stay mostly to the main stream and study the Bible, Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants. I am just getting into some of the history of the church, but we are not puppets, we have our own free agency to think and search out things that interest us. Some of us will come to different conclusions about the same information, that does not mean it is Church Doctrine. There is no way that the 3 or 4 of us are in cahoots as you say. I have no way of getting in contact with them except through your forum. Both of them have emailed me through the Catholic forum to tell me to continue writing, and to thank me for being here as a support for them, but I have no way of emailing them back, at least I have not figured it out yet. I am kind of a novice about these computer things.
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See where being a conspiracy theorist gets me :o


#14

Hi BJ,

One of the easiest things to do, as a Catholic, is to go to Mass - and then get the heck out without saying a word to anyone. I understand how dissappointed you must be that no one from your husband’s church noticed when he was ill. However, most Catholic parishes have a health ministries team - and many, many caring parishioners. We recently had a young lady from our parish who suffered a serious illness and over 500 people showed up for a week night prayer service specifically for her and her family. And the support has continued since then. In addition, we pray for everyone listed in the book of the sick every Sunday. Was your husband listed in your parish’s book of the sick? Did anyone inform his parish of his illness?

As far as singing hymns, it is a standard part of every Mass that I’ve ever attended!

I hope you find what you’re looking for on catholic.com, and I’ll keep you (and your husband) in my prayers.

God bless you.

Cubby


#15

I have spoken with many Catholics who have left the Church for Mormonism. I am always interested in their reasons. The reasons are never doctrinal, but usually social. By far the most common reason has to do with how much attention gets paid to them.

For example, a young couple related to me that a few years ago, the wife got depressed and the couple chose not to go to mass for 3 weeks. During that time they never contacted anyone from the parish, and no one from the parish came to check up on them. They decided that the Catholic Church didn’t care about them and they soon joined the Mormons. The wife spoke with real pride about how, in the Mormon Church, if they miss *even one Sunday * her visiting teachers show up at her home to find out why.

I hear many variations on this theme - “the Catholics didn’t pay enough attention to me, but the Mormons really care”.

To me, that is an adult wanting to be treated like a child and is a symptom of our narcissistic age. I’m a big boy. If I want help I’ll ask for it. If I ask for help from the parish, I’ll get help. But I don’t want to be “monitored” and checked up on. That is infantilizing and cultish.

God bless us all,
Paul


#16

Paul:

I get your point, and I agree. BUT it is nice to know that people care enough to find out how come you missed. I can tell everyone here that when I miss even one Sunday, people are asking the rest of my family where I’m at. And when I’m there and someone else from my family is missing, I get asked where they are.

I kinda get the feeling that the parish that BJ and her husband attend is not the greatest parish.


#17

I don’t think that enjoying people looking after you is cultish and childish. It only becomes cultish when they try to control you or the situation. When I haven’t heard from friends I give them a call. Even my rugby team, I sent out a general e-mail to them asking for prayers for my father (cancer), and I can’t tell you how good it felt to receive a boatload.

If you use that as a reason to leave a church that’s childish.

I think sometimes Catholics are a little jealous of some stories like BJ’s. Because while we feel like we are doing the right thing, we would like more of what someone has (typical humanity :smiley: ) While they is a quickly growing surge of community bonding in Catholic Churches, there are still Churches that still follow the stereotype of a “run away after Eucharist” church.

I grew up Catholic, and during college I never persay “left” the church, but I spent most of my time with “non-denominational christian groups”. I REALLY enjoyed my time with them, and I visited A LOT of different churches. Dated one of the girls who was VERY fundamentalist! The more she questioned my Cahtolic side, the more I studied, and the more I came to love the Catholic Church. Her family was part of a fantastic church, one of the Vineyard offshoots. Great people. But as I grew, I really wanted to be apart of my Catholic Church I grew up in (it was one of the better ones, now with a thrieving Youth program). But I do find myself a little jealous sometimes of the churches I used to hang out in (not as if I can’t visit). It doesn’t take anything away from the Catholic faith, but some of the “non-denom” churches do some social/bonding things VERY WELL!

The Catholic Church socially is diffinately changing, changing quickly, and for the good.

In some ways I feel that God had me experience the good ways of other churches in hopes that I’d bring those attitudes/ideas/bonding back to the Catholic Church, and help it grow in that area.

My two cents…


#18

[quote=tkdnick]Paul:

I get your point, and I agree. BUT it is nice to know that people care enough to find out how come you missed. I can tell everyone here that when I miss even one Sunday, people are asking the rest of my family where I’m at. And when I’m there and someone else from my family is missing, I get asked where they are.

I kinda get the feeling that the parish that BJ and her husband attend is not the greatest parish.
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Sure, and I am so involved at my parish that if I went missing for any length of time people would wonder why and someone would call. These folks were not involved but were surprised when no one noticed they were gone. That is childish and unrealistic. Also it is apparent that this woman is really “high maintenance” and probably keeps the Mormons very busy. Maybe someone like her can benefit from such an organization.
Paul


#19

[quote=PaulDupre]Also it is apparent that this woman is really “high maintenance” and probably keeps the Mormons very busy. Maybe someone like her
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In my neck of the woods, calling a lady “high maintenance” is an insult.

The Mormon church has extensive programs to look after its members. You get “called” and have to go help out with a need your Mormon neighbor has. The Catholic Church does not have an equivalent program, that’s the plain truth.

BJ, if you need a visit from the priest, usually you have to call the parish office. They will come *if *they know. BTW, the local hospital will no longer inform a parish when one of their members checks in because of privacy laws. I’m sorry no priest came to visit when your husband was ill.:frowning:


#20

[quote=BJ Colbert]Katholikos,
Thank you for saying I am a nice person, I appreciate that it shows, but you are wrong when you say I don’t know about my faith.
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BJ, I took your word for it. Was that a mistake? These are your words, written on other threads:

Other Mormons with more knowledge may understand this in a different way, or explain it differently. . . Obviously, I can not explain things as clearly as one who has studied these things. I only know my understanding of things.

I am even more uneducated than Joseph Smith was, and only have a rudimentary knowledge of scripture or history of Christianity. So what I say is from my heart and personal thoughts, not from the books that I have never read, or studied. As we have discussions it has caused me to read and study more about my religion. But, for true answers to the questions you ask, BYU Boy will do a better job than I for he has really studied and has knowledge that I do not have.

JMJ Jay


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