Not bad, thoughtful and laid out pretty well.
TBH, it was nice to hear someone who’s Catholic say they understand one of the how’s and why’s “we” can sometimes feel unwelcome, 2nd class, etc…at Mass.
It’s not about exclusion of anyone it’s about those receiving Holy Communion TRULY 100% knowing, believing, accepting and professing that we are receiving Our Lord Jesus–Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. If they can’t do that as a devout practicing Catholic they should not receive.
Understood, but that doesn’t always change the feelings. In by background, excluding baptized Christians from communion is doing exactly that, telling them they’re unwelcome. I don’t really get that feeling from communion anymore (just the people who complain about sitting next to or behind me ), but I’ve been around the Catholic Church for almost 20 years now (that and I think everyone here knows that I’ve got bigger fish to fry when it comes to being welcome).
I think that his video (and point) is more directed at those who aren’t around the Church much (if ever have been at all) and then are invited to Mass. More often than not, the person bringing them does an awful job (if any) of explaining the who’s and why’s of communion. It’s usually walking in the door “Oh, ya…don’t go up for communion, it’s just for Catholics”. That was basically my introduction.
Big deal for some non-Catholic Christians for not being accepted for Communion, small matter for Catholics who understand that Communion is for eligible practicing Catholics.
Not to be in any way rude or unfeeling but why as a NON Catholic would someone go into a Catholic Church and “presume” you could receive Holy Communion at the Mass there? I mean most even though they don’t know the specific details KNOW that only Catholics can receive Holy Communion in a Catholic Church.
I KNOW never to receive “communion” in any other Church that is not Catholic but even “IF” as a Catholic I was allowed I wouldn’t just presume I could do so.
Just always wondered about this.
The “issue” I’m sure rises mostly from those who (like myself) A) Come from an open communion background and B) don’t (didn’t) see Catholics as a complete separate religion (as I see that’s how some Catholics view NC’s).
With my background, I wasn’t raised to see Catholics vs. Lutherans vs. Baptists vs. etc… we were all Christians and at communion we all came together at the table as a Christian family. I don’t think I ever presumed I could receive, all I remember about that is someone telling me I can’t and the reasoning was “well, you’re not Catholic…” but from where I came from saying we’re not welcome to the table basically says we’re not part of your family and aren’t really welcome in your “house” (you’re viewing us as 2nd class, etc…).
An analogy I’ve used before: Most everyone on here says that NC’s are more than welcome to attend Mass. I would compare it to, if my mother-in-law invited everyone over on Sunday. There would be 13 of us (11 Catholic to 2 NC’s). Please come, everyone is welcome! Then, once it’s time to have dinner the 11 Catholics make their way to the dining room and ask us 2 NC’s to just wait in the living room until they’re done.
At that point we feel unwelcome, singled out, and like 2nd class citizens in the family.
That’s the best way I can think of to explain why non-Catholic Christians (specifically from open communion communities) can feel the way they do by being told they aren’t welcome to communion (usually without any real explanation). For someone who grew up with the closed communion practice, they’d be far more used to not partaking in other Christian churches, that may not be the same for someone who grew up with open communion.
Hopefully that made some semblance of sense.
At least in the last 40 years or so, with so many churches either uniting, or signing declarations regarding common worship, etc., there are a lot of Protestants who have felt comfortable for decades receiving in ‘other churches’, and I believe open communion, especially in our current society of ‘inclusion’ is promoted as “what Jesus would do”, etc. etc.
While there are some fairly large groups (not just Catholics) who promote a ‘closed’ communion, they aren’t seen (as apparently Catholics are seen) as promoting themselves as ‘the one and only’, or with a literal, not simply a figurative or symbolic communion, so it doesn’t ‘matter’.
But with the other suspect practices (CELIBATE men! NO WOMEN PRIESTS! CLOSED COMMUNION! CANNIBALISM! SECRET LANGUAGE (Latin)! CONVENTS! and all the scandals (PEDO PRIESTS! MAGDALEN LAUNDRIES! BABIES IN SEWER PIPES! CONVENTS WITH SKELETONS! SELLING INDULGENCES! FORCED CONVERSIONS! ATTACKING PEACEFUL MUSLIMS/CRUSADES! THE INQUISITION! BURNING HERETICS! GENOCIDE OF NATIVE PEOPLES!) , even with so many changes made to make Catholics look ‘just like anybody else’ (vernacular, ugly churches, no more priests in clerical garb on street, no more nuns in habits, getting rid of saints’ feasts, statues, visible devotions, organs, incense; opening up the Catholic schools for ‘inclusion’, making a point to have big name/visible Catholics toe the line on all the secular commandments “THOU SHALT exalt a woman’s right to abort, THOU SHALT let 'anybody who loves get married”, "THOU SHALT reduce, recycle, and reuse;
There are still literally millions of people who are SURE that the ‘real Catholics’ out there (the ones with the Vatican Supercomputer with the names of all the Protestants to be persecuted) are secretly still waiting to conquer every Protestant and ‘force’ him or her into all those ‘practices’. And since among the few, the very few ‘different’ Catholic practices that has not been put to the Protestantizing axe is our Eucharist. . .what do you think is #1 on the list to be removed?
Father Mike is the MAN!
This priest needs be a Bishop!
The Eucharist seems to be the greatest stumbling block to unity, yet it should be the greatest gift to unite us all.
My family is very good friends with a Catholic priest. My parents are Episcopalian. When they went to a church service, the priest asked them later why they didn’t come up for communion, and they replied, “I didn’t think we were supposed to.” The priest replied with, “This church isn’t like that. It’s God’s table, not mine.”
???WHAT I am so sad to hear that. That Priest will have to answer for telling non Catholics that and possibly leading them in error.
I have been invited, as an Anglican, on many occasions to receive the sacrament when I attend a Roman Catholic mass. The priest uses similar words. I come from an Open Communion parish, and TC, I appreciate your posting. Thank you for stating things so clearly.
It’s sad when churches invite people to enter and then forbid them to partake of God’s meal. I feel the same way when I am invited to attend an LDS wedding and then am told I am not allowed in the Temple to witness it. Only the ‘worthy’ are allowed. I guess the RCs and the Mormons have more in common than we thought.
@ComplineSanFran did you even watch the video? Father Mike did an excellent job explaining this.
Well this should not be the norm. Again it’s not about secluding anybody. It is about receiving WHO you believe you are receiving. Unless you are a practicing Catholic in the state of grace and you TRULY 100% believe that you are receiving the Body Blood Soul Divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ you should not receive Holy Communion in the Catholic Church.
Honest question: do you feel we should escort all non-initiated Catholics out of the mass and bring them to classes after the Liturgy of the Word, like used to be the practice?
TBH, I’m surprised the parish my wife’s a member at doesn’t to this…
I know that is or was the practice in Anglican churches also during Lent. I have mixed feelings about it. My diocese does not practice that tradition, since people are welcome to receive regardless. There is something to be said for having one’s first communion be at the Easter Vigil after a long Lent of instruction.
This priest is a spirit-filled Christian! He even speaks in tongues. My Episcopal church allows my Jewish husband to take communion.
The situation in most places is dependent on the bishop. That is what Pope Francis has just reaffirmed for the German bishops, that each bishop can make the decision for his diocese rather than have all of them squabble about what the practice should be. In one place, a bishop may encourage non-Catholics to come to communion with us, while in another place the bishop may discourage it.
In Britain, the bishops conferences of Ireland, Scotland, and England & Wales, did get together and publish norms for the whole area. Non-catholics can only receive Catholic communion in a few limited circumstances, like the mother of a catholic when he is being ordained, or the father of a catholic who is being confirmed. And only if a bishop decides, not the pastor. Etc.
I have not watched the video, but I hope the priest made it clear that this is the situation canon law has set up.