Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true


#5945

I tried to do it once, but hurt my back.


#5946

I accept the science that suggests life on earth is billions of years old and that the fossil record shows some kind of progression from relatively simple organisms to the Cambrian explosion to the life-forms of today. But I also believe that neither the Bible no science can inform as to exactly what was responsible for the history of life. It’s a mystery that will never be solved.


#5947

The Japanese attempted to build a pyramid and failed. Apparently, modern equipment was not enough to make a relatively small replica.


#5948

I don’t get it. Are you saying it was aliens?


#5949

It’s been solved but science can only see part of the picture, never the whole picture. The Catholic Church has the whole picture.


#5950

Unbiased source, please.


#5951

Yeah, I know. I cited that study much, much earlier in this discussion. That doesn’t actually address the question at hand.

The species have hard delineations, but he was asking about transitions along the evolutionary line. What you quoted deals specifically with the concept of divergent evolution, which, if the study is accurate (which I believe it is), does not appear to be a thing. The question I was answering dealt with transitional evolution along a single species line.


#5952

Even if one doesn’t have a ph.d. in biology, and even if one never even considered the ToE, common sense should convince them that it’s likely real. All material items appear to change over time, and genes are material items. And if genes change, the phenotype changes with them.

Any religion or denomination that doesn’t recognize these common sense and scientific axioms are pretty much bogus, imo, as they’re ignoring what even the most basic observations are telling us, and the Truth cannot be relative. And in no way does the ToE go against the Bible because it’s a matter of the interpretation of the Creation accounts.

Even before we knew anything about the To’E, some biblical scholars recognized that some of what’s found in the early chapters of Genesis are probably allegorical. Thus, instead asking “Did this really happen?”, a far better and more useful approach is “What is the author(s) telling us?”. IOW, what are the lessons that can possibly be applied to our lives today and tomorrow,

Fortunately, the Church recognizes this reality and gives parishioners the option. Like undoubtedly some here, I went through a transition myself as I grew up in a fundamentalist Protestant church and had plans to go into the ministry. However, I also had a science orientation, and when it became clear that there was a problem with the church I was in in this and one other area, I left it in my early 20’s and eventually converted to Catholicism besides getting a graduate degree in anthropology.

To sum this up, the evidence is so overwhelming for the evolution of life forms that goes well beyond “micro-evolution” that anyone who really seriously studies this will have to conclude that the basic ToE must be true. So, I guess for some it’s a matter of whether they will choose to use their Christian faith as enlightenment or as a set of blinders to objective reality?


#5953

Literally every living thing is in transition. This is evidenced by the near total absence of current species in the fossil record.

Want to see a living thing in transition? Pick any living thing, including yourself.


#5954

The space is radial which is very interesting,


#5955

…? Could you elaborate/ I’m not sure what you’re getting at.


#5956

Evolution is not important except to spread an anti-God ideology. We, meaning Catholics, do not consider science to be the only source of knowledge. If I rejected evolution tomorrow, nothing in my life would change, Nothing. So – honest question: Why is this theory so important?


#5957

It is not only a horizontal separation but vertical too.


#5958

There’s no evidence of that from the study. You’re drawing a conclusion not inherent in the study.


#5959

Yet again I point you to the video I posted that listed a bunch of ways evolution is used in science that you seem to be purposefully ignoring. And for the fifth time I will tell you that I use evolutionary algorithms in my own work.


#5960

When you start out with a complete falsehood, because the ToE is totally noncommittal one way or the other when it comes to Divine creation, there’s no where to go from here with you. As the saying goes, “You can have your own opinion but not your own facts’”.

As to your question, Truth is important to me, and Truth can be found in many areas, not just within our Catholic faith. As a retired scientist committed to our Catholic faith, the Truth is that one can accept the basic ToE and be an observant Catholic. If you can’t accept that, then there’s no way we can seriously discuss this or much of anything else.


#5961

No answer again. I’ll keep trying


#5962

The theory is no more anti-God than my Ford repair manual, my old math textbooks or any other non-religious source of information.

You’ve just convinced yourself that evolution is anti-God. Nothing more.

Virtually no one does. The sciences are stuck dealing with the quantitative. There are a whole host of disciplines taught at your closest university that do not fall under the umbrella of science.

If you rejected the idea that the world is spherical, I doubt your life would change much there, either.

The theory is important because answers to big questions are important. Knowledge is important.

Evolution is the best explanation to the question of “How did I get here?” so far running. If a better alternative comes up, intellectual honesty would compel me to abandon it.

But until then…


#5963

Another lack of an answer. I’ll keep trying.


#5964

Definitely just trolling at his point.


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