Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

#6066

The Atheist Society contacted me. They said that they will buy the lunch, and they challenged the Atheist Society, “Go down to Houston and have lunch with this guy, and talk to him.” Nobody has come! Now remember, because I’m just going to ask, when I stop understanding what you’re talking about, I will ask. So I sincerely want to know. I would like to believe it. But I just can’t.
Now, I understand microevolution, I really do. We do this all the time in the lab. I understand this. But when you have speciation changes, when you have organs changing, when you have to have concerted lines of evolution, all happening in the same place and time – not just one line – concerted lines, all at the same place, all in the same environment … this is very hard to fathom.
I was in Israel not too long ago, talking with a bio-engineer, and [he was] describing to me the ear, and he was studying the different changes in the modulus of the ear, and I said, “How does this come about?” And he says, “Oh, Jim, you know, we all believe in evolution, but we have no idea how it happened.” Now there’s a good Jewish professor for you. I mean, that’s what it is. So that’s where I am. Have I answered the question?

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#6067

Also, those random mutations odds have to be doubled, because evolution has to come up with the DNA code for both male and female.

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#6068

This is one sad thread…

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#6069

Today we still have chemptrophs living round volcanic vents in the ocean floor. Similar volcanic vents existed in the past. I am not extrapolating, I am observing.

rossum

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#6070

By life, I mean being with the capacity to procreate, to develop and grow through the transformation of matter into itself, something beyond the molecular that interacts with its environment at a higher level. There is a hierarchy of complexity of interactions with other things that is reflected in the matter that constitutes the body’s processes whereby that happens. Animals, as opposed to lesser life forms which may only very simply react to stimuli, have the capacity to perceive more acutely and delineate the elements of their world, to process the information and to act accordingly. These are all built it instinctive features, the higher the organism, the greater the learning abilities grounded on given instincts, which reflect the wiring and patterns of excitation of their nervous system. And, then we have we ourselves, sitting within eternity, able to know and act as causal agents.

I do not bring myself into existence. The successes I have had in my life were through the grace of God, played out on the psychosocial field that is human relation. I suppose I have sewed the outfit I have willed, altered when needed, but that is of such a limited scope with regards to most things, and in the grand scheme of things, have consented to Christ’s sewing and altering the outfit I will wear for ever.

While my words might approximate what you hold to be true, I’m thinking there is a fundamental difference in how we conceptualize all this wonder.

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#6071

No. Your lack of knowledge of genetics is showing. Only the X and Y chromosomes are different between the sexes. All our other chromosomes are the same for both sexes and are inherited from both parents.

You need to learn more about the subject before you criticise it.

rossum

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#6072

The male and female reproductive systems are completely different and would require different DNA information.

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#6073

Now you are saying the ocean was already in place right at the beginning 4.5 billion years ago, where did the time come from for all this to evolve ?

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#6074

Not as different as you seem to think. Turn the testes and scrotum inside out, fitting them internally, and you have ovaries and a uterus.

Both sexes have at least one X-chromosome; everything up to and including the X-chromosome is the same between the sexes. The male Y-chromosome is different, and a lot smaller. It is an X-chromosome which has lost a lot of information. Evolution is capable of losing information, as buffalo will agree.

There is no need for your ludicrous claim of DNA having to evolve twice. All that was needed for the Y-chromosome to lose some DNA. In humans the X-chromosome contains about 1,100 genes. The Y-chromosome has about 26 genes. See Chromosomes: Definition & Structure for more.

rossum

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#6075

Oceans do not evolve. They are not living organisms. Oceans are water, and there is a lot of water, in the form of ice, in the universe.

rossum

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#6076

I personally think that the difference is that I don’t find a God that gave life the ability to change into other life as any less God-like.

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#6077

It wasn’t in place immediately. Just almost immediately. Earth is 4.5 byo. The oceans are roughly 4 byo.

The hot molten rock that was earth had to cool enough for the water to pool :slight_smile:

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#6078

Thank you very much.

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#6079

How could this so-call first life bacteria progress into something new when all there was to eat was chemicals? Only the lowliest creature can live on just a diet of chemicals.

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#6080

It developed a digestive system… somehow.

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#6081

You must learn patience; someone here will answer you!

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#6082

@Techno2000
@edwest
@Eric_Hyom

Two thoughts;

  1. You’re asking the wrong people to lunch. For someone who could do a top to bottom, nuts and bolts explanation of it from the molecular level, you need someone with an advanced degree in microbiology (and probably virology)

  2. You need to have enough of an education to grasp everything they’re talking about.

Related to number two is your question of “where are the molecules built”. What does that even mean?

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#6083

buffalo is waiting for lunch, not me or Techno or ed

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#6084

How did it survive while it was waiting to evolve a digestive system? The answer is it used photosynthesis in the meantime… :roll_eyes: So what it can’t progress any further on just a diet of chemicals.

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#6085

Scientists have just figured out how photosynthesis works. It’s not simple or accidental. Oh well. Something, something… or something.

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