Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true


#7253

So, you have no explanation for the origin of your proposed ‘intelligence’. I hope you understand that this leaves a huge hole in your explanation, and renders your explanation scientifically unsatisfactory.

Natural selection is definitely not random. Put simply, natural selection can be expressed as “whoever has more grandchildren wins”. More grandchildren means more copies of those genes in future generations. That’s all. No need for guidance; it works like compound interest. If there is guidance, then we are talking about artificial selection, not natural selection.


#7254

Neither do you have an explanation for your proposed magic. I hope you understand that this leaves a huge hole in your explanation and renders your explanation logically unsatisfactory.

In addition, my “explanation” is a simple logical deduction. You can classify it how you want. It’s just called reasoning in normal parlance.

Having more babies does not grant magical powers, like giving molecules an ability to code instructions.


#7255

It’s the exact opposite. Given that there exists a living personal God who brings us into being, it is imperative that we develop our relationship with Him, to know and understand Him and, since He brings us into existence, to adhere to His will, the purposes for His doing so. To immerse ourselves in contemplation of His creation is one means by which this is accomplished, allowing us to share in His glory and informing us as to how we are to treat that which He has created with the dignity it deserves. It means everything; the pursuit of science is actually intensified.


#7256

You have no explanation for our intelligence, the capacity to explain, the reality of science, nor how we decide whether an idea is satisfactory or not.


#7257

I do not have any magic, I have well established science. See Evolution 101 for an introduction to the science.

Please read what I said more carefully. I did not talk about “babies”, but “grandchildren”. Babies are of no evolutionary importance if they do not reach maturity and successfully reproduce. There is nothing magic about more grandchildren meaning more copies of your genes in the population.

Natural selection selects the sets of instructions that work better than other sets.


#7258

That is what I said. Your “Given” is the assumption you are making and which I pointed out. Thank you for confirming that I am correct.

Evolution is a gradual process. We can observe graduations in the intelligence of animals. Chimps are more intelligent than dogs. Dogs are more intelligent than cats. Cats are more intelligent than mice. Mice are more intelligent than Amphioxus. Where there is a graduation in a property then there is a path to gradual improvement in that property. Conversely we can observe that damage to the brain impacts intelligence in many species, humans included. Since evolution can change the brain and neural development then evolution can develop intelligence.

Consider a human egg and a human sperm. Neither is intelligent, yet the combination of the two can eventually produce intelligence. Intelligence is an emergent property, and so is capable of gradual development. A five year old human is more intelligent than a five hour old human.


#7259

Too vague, please give me an detailed example of this .


#7260

So you’re presuming the pre-existence of ‘sets of instructions’ that natural selection then picks between. What is the origin of these sets of instructions?

You claim things with no intelligence create instructions, you claiming magic. You can put the word ‘science’ around it, but you can’t hide the blunt offense to logic you’re committing.


#7261

Malaria kills a high proportion of young children, before they reach sexual maturity. Malaria resistance, such as the HbS or HbC mutations, enable more children with those mutations to reach maturity and have children of their own. That puts more copies of those variants into the population of areas where malaria is prevalent.

Lactase persistence mutations allow adults to digest milk. That is an extra food source in areas where sheep, cattle, goats etc. are farmed. That extra food source is useful in times of famine, reducing deaths among those with the mutation relative to those without the mutation. Again, because of higher relative survival rates more copies of that variant appear in the population. Currently about one third of the human population has a lactase persistence variant.


#7262

You keep extrapolating microevolution to automatically apply to macroevolution .


#7263

Scientists are still working on that problem. Currently I prefer the RNA world hypothesis, where the initial instructions are RNA ribozymes. Szostak has shown that randomly assembled RNA ribozymes can have useful effects: Structurally complex and highly active RNA ligases derived from random RNA sequences. RNA is a single strand, not a double helix like DNA, hence it is a lot easier to assemble RNA than DNA.

You might want to note that a lot of what we on the science side say has a great deal of research becking it up. Creationism is generally lacking that level of research backup. A useful illustration of this point is The Mirage.


#7264

Do you support funding of more “Creationist” research?


#7265

ICR is already doing some such research, as with their RATE project. They are free to spend their money as they wish. IIRC there was some Hindu organisation doing research into Hindu creationism – the Big Bang theory gave much too young a universe for them, they wanted a 300 million year old universe (or older) with a human presence from the beginning.


#7266

The question was about public funds.


#7267

That may have been what you were thinking, but it was not what you wrote; the word “public” was nowhere in your post:

Do you support funding of more “Creationist” research?

I am not a mind reader, so you need to type what you actually mean, not relying on hidden assumptions.

Many universities support funding into religious research, effectively any university with a theology department or a religious studies department. Those universities are often supported in whole or in part by public funds. If creationists can persuade theology department heads to undertake research in their department then that is fine.

Similarly, if they can persuade a science department heads to undertake research, then that is also fine.


#7268

Here we see a missed opportunity because of evo theory about the uselessness of Junk DNA

Genomics Researchers Say ‘Junk’ DNA Key to Advancing Medicine


#7269

Thank you.


#7270

What do you mean a “missed opportunity?”


#7271

Junk DNA was purported to be leftover from our evo past and useless. Because of this we are decades behind in this valuable medical research. Just think how many lives might have been saved if we were investigating design.


#7272

Still arguing about it.


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