e first three puzzled us as to what they had to do with the topic. What was she trying to convey?
She was trying to convey that baptism requires informed consent, as the quotes are on salvation
5] he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit,
Water is the “washing of regeneration” and the Holy Spirit is never separated from water regarding baptism anywhere in the bible. This verse does not discount the necessity of good deeds, it simply says that good deeds are not salvific apart from Christ as far as being a Christian is concerned. The Catholic Church does not teach salvation by works alone, which is the Pelagian heresy condemned at the Council of Orange.[font=Arial][/font]
2 Tim 1:9 is the “works” mantra Protestants don’t understand. Love is a “work” too, as it is an act of the will. Yes, I would call it a red herring or a change of subject if you will. There are two types of “works” in the bible, good works and the works of the law. Some Protestants will mix and match to their own liking, unaware that they are totally different Greek renderings.
[font=Arial]Or was she trying to change the subject without us realizing it? We responded with:
Romans 2:6-11, Gal 6:6-10
[/font]Yes, she successfully changed the subject with “works” and led you off the topic of baptism. When you allow non-Catholics to throw you off, they think you had no answer. I would respond with an explanation of original sin, then baptism. Many Protestants believe all sin is the same, and see no difference between actual sin and original sin. We sinned in Adam without informed consent, and therefore can be removed without informed consent, that is why we can baptize babies. Actual sin is committed with our informed consent, and that is why we need confession.
Try and work towards the authority of the Church, and the Primacy of Peter, Apostolic Succession, etc. If someone has the freedom to jump topics out of the blue, then so do you. A basic framework is necessary to get started or you end up:banghead: .