Your own (Catholic) Church...fails


This is more of that false witness that you have been spreading around the threads, ja4. You have been repeatedly informed that the Catholic faith is based on the divine deposit of faith, and that the doctrines of the Church come from Jesus through the Apostles. Although they are consistent with the scriptures, they are based on the Revelation of the Word of God (incarnate), and not that book you keep using to bash Catholics over the head.



try Matthew 16:18.


Where does it say in I Timothy 3:15 that the church is infallible though?

A pillar of truth is not capable of teaching error.


You are right, ja4, fallible men can and do err. That is why it is such a mystery that Jesus decided to commit His gospel of salvation to men. He could have stayed here after the resurrection until the gospel was preached to all, but He sent them instead. He sent them as the Father sent Him, in truth and power. He gave them all authority to fulfill the mission, and His own precious promises. Men can fail, but God does not. Let God be true, though every man be false!

Also, I recommend that you refrain from telling Catholics how to practice (or refrain from practicing) their faith on this board. When you tell Catholics they “should reject” the teaching of the church, it is a violation of the forum rules. This forum does not exist as a venue for you to proselytize or try to pursuade Catholics that they have been deceived by the Magesterium. If you continue that behavior, you may end up getting banned.


How does Matthew 16:18 teach infallibility?


How does Matthew 16:18 teach infallibility?

If the Church taught heretical doctrines, then Hell has prevailed against it.


well, it is true that no one is infallible, everyone can err. By this logic, it is therefore highly probable that Paul erred when writing one of his epistles, Luke, Matthew, Mark and John erred when writing Gospels etc… :confused:


There are many Catholics on this forum who believe that there are errors in the gospels.


However that is not the teaching of The Catholic Church, therefore the problem is with their knowledge and thinking and not the Church.


They are wrong. The CC teaches the Gospel does not contain errors.




The opinions of Catholics here who claim that there are errors in the Bible are not infallible teachings.

Catholics who say such things reminds me of the disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” So say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

Our first Pope’s first infallible statement. The Catholic Church teaches that the Bible contains no error.

The Magisterium says the following:

134 All Sacred Scripture is but one book, and this one book is Christ, “because all divine Scripture speaks of Christ, and all divine Scripture is fulfilled in Christ” (Hugh of St. Victor, De arca Noe 2,8:PL 176,642: cf. ibid. 2,9:PL 176,642-643).

135 “The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and, because they are inspired, they are truly the Word of God” (DV 24).

136 God is the author of Sacred Scripture because he inspired its human authors; he acts in them and by means of them. He thus gives assurance that their writings teach without error his saving truth (cf. DV 11).

137 Interpretation of the inspired Scripture must be attentive above all to what God wants to reveal through the sacred authors for our salvation. What comes from the Spirit is not fully "understood except by the Spirit’s action’ (cf. Origen, Hom. in Ex. 4, 5: PG 12, 320).

138 The Church accepts and venerates as inspired the 46 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New.

139 The four Gospels occupy a central place because Christ Jesus is their center.

140 The unity of the two Testaments proceeds from the unity of God’s plan and his Revelation. The Old Testament prepares for the New and the New Testament fulfills the Old; the two shed light on each other; both are true Word of God.

141 “The Church has always venerated the divine Scriptures as she venerated the Body of the Lord” (DV 21): both nourish and govern the whole Christian life. “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path” (Ps 119:105; cf. Is 50:4)


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